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  Did the millenium turning and 9/11 make you think about armageddon?

  by Sirius Dogma in

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  i was thinking back the other day to new years eve 1999. it was a few hours before midnight.

  i was in the virgin islands drinking with my girlfriend and some friends and i started to freak out.

  i started thinking that maybe christ would return that night, maybe armageddon would come and the earth would be turned inside out and i would die that very night.

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  Sirius,

  It is amazing how many former dubs have nightmares and thoughts about the great tribulation. You know when this stopped for me? When I decided that I really didn't have a clue what was going to happen to me after death, or at Armageddon (if there is such a thing that is going to happen). I wanted there to be something after death, but after being in dubland for 36 years and hearing different, and conflicting, everlasting life scenarios from every religion my whole life, I decided nobody else had a clue either. If they did, how could so many different religions read the same book and come up with so many different ideas?

  So, in the end, I came to the conclusion that if Jesus and God, Jehovah, whoever, truly reads hearts like the scriptures say, then they can read mine and know that my heart is crushed and I don't know where to go for the truth anymore. I don't trust any religion. Does that deserve a flesh melting death? I don't think so.

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  Samuel Herd puts down the Governing Body at elders school,,they will not be

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just a little tid bit that probably is more fluff than stuff.. .

  when i attend an elders school in escondito,,ca i think it was maybe 1992 (r maybe it was later in central ca not sure of that detail) samuel herd (then a do) and merlton campbell (sevice dept.

  ) conducted the school.

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  Sam Herd previously served our district in New Hampshire just prior to when I left the Org. Although an engaging speaker, he would not get involved with an issue that involved an obviously corrupt CO. I always thought that Sam was weak and unwilling to get involved in matters because they were too difficult. Just hearing his name brings back a lot of bad memories.
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  This is horrible....

  by desib77 in

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  i know that the issue of the man being beheaded by the iraqis has been discussed already but they just played the sound of the beheading on talk radio (shawn hannity).

  this is absolutely horrible.....the sound of him screaming just makes me ill.

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  (edit to add) Yeah, Chevies, Bush critic Howard Stern can't talk about sex, but GOP's Hannity can play a snuff tape.

  Damn you Badger, you ornery mammal, you stole the words right out of my mouth!
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  Elder Explains NGO Issue...Now It Is Clear!

  by exjdub in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  quite a while ago an older sister stopped by my door, and stupid me, i let her know my life story in a nutshell.

  faded for 7 years, former ministerial servant, blah blah blah.

  i think the reason i did it is that she reminded me of my mom and she caught me at a weak moment.

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  Swan,

  I believe he was probably speaking hypothetically and "shooting from the hip" because he was caught off guard. I would love it if it was the stance of the WTBS, whether official or unofficial, because I think that it would expose them even more. Like I mentioned, I have been a restoration project although I did not want to be, so I am sure he was searching for something that would make me feel better. I was careful to express dismay, as opposed to anger, so that I would not raise the apostate alarm for reasons that I won't go into here.
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  Elder Explains NGO Issue...Now It Is Clear!

  by exjdub in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  quite a while ago an older sister stopped by my door, and stupid me, i let her know my life story in a nutshell.

  faded for 7 years, former ministerial servant, blah blah blah.

  i think the reason i did it is that she reminded me of my mom and she caught me at a weak moment.

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  The elder really didn't express his true belief. He made use of the art of "theocratic warfare". You pressed him for an answer. Under pressure he gave you an answer ... in order to confuse you.

  Schizm:

  I believe that the elder gave an answer, not to confuse me (he's not that bright), but rather because I did catch him off guard. I don't think that there is any question about that. Whether that is his true belief or not is immaterial and I am not here, nor do I care, to guess whether or not he does believe it. The fact that he said it speaks for itself and the intelligent people on this board can determine for themeselves if that was a satisfactory answer or not. My guess is not.

  To answer your question as to why the WTBS was an NGO, I don't think anyone truly knows why and I am not sure that it is important. Of course, if they were being truthful it was for a library card, although I doubt that very seriously (read the definition of lie/lying in the Insight book...*clue*: It's OK for the WTBS because nobody deserves the truth according to their thinking.) My guess is that it was to protect their worldwide holdings and to conform so that the UN and the nations of the world don't disband the WTBS. Like all organized religion they want to retain their money and their power. Nothing more, nothing less.

  I think the important thing is that the incredibly hypocritical position by the Org makes them accountable, not only to Jehovah, but also to the millions of people that have sacraficed a normal life for an organization that has been a harlot like the rest of them. If they still want to maintain that it was simply for a library card, and nothing else, then at the very least they have been lukewarm and Jehovah will vomit them out of his mouth. If it is indeed harlotry, which I believe, then they will receive what the rest of "Christendom" receives. Disclaimer: I realize as I am writing this that the old dubbie doctrine is seeping in. I guess I don't even believe that shite anymore, but for the sake of using their own doctrine to judge them guilty, I plead guilty. They have judged others for years using their twisted logic, why not hold them accountable by their own words?

  Sorry for the rant everyone...that issue just grinds my ass. Damn hypocrites!
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  Elder Explains NGO Issue...Now It Is Clear!

  by exjdub in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  quite a while ago an older sister stopped by my door, and stupid me, i let her know my life story in a nutshell.

  faded for 7 years, former ministerial servant, blah blah blah.

  i think the reason i did it is that she reminded me of my mom and she caught me at a weak moment.

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  Omigod, that was me once!

  Willy,

  I think that is what bothers me the most is that I was spewing the same type of garbage to somebody else when I was an MS. Shepherding calls were the best forum for offering such "encouragement." It makes me cringe to think about it.
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  It's Joyzabel's Birthday!!!

  by HICFlyGirl in

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  yaaaahhhhh!!

  it's my mommy's birthday!!!.

  we have a delicious meal planned at the angelo's steak house.

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  Happy Birthday Joy!!!!!! I had mine last weekend with my family and it was great. It always feels good to feel special. Don't get beheaded! LOL.

  Good job HiCFlyGirl!
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  Elder Explains NGO Issue...Now It Is Clear!

  by exjdub in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  quite a while ago an older sister stopped by my door, and stupid me, i let her know my life story in a nutshell.

  faded for 7 years, former ministerial servant, blah blah blah.

  i think the reason i did it is that she reminded me of my mom and she caught me at a weak moment.

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  So, why did they back out of being an NGO? Everyone's screwed now, and they won't know when it's the real deal.

  Good point Nos. If it was for that reason then they should have stayed as an NGO and explained it to the r&f. Why the hiding? I guess it was a case of another elder letting his mouth get ahead of him while trying to defend WTBS. You can't defend the indefensible, it makes them look like idiots.
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  Elder Explains NGO Issue...Now It Is Clear!

  by exjdub in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  quite a while ago an older sister stopped by my door, and stupid me, i let her know my life story in a nutshell.

  faded for 7 years, former ministerial servant, blah blah blah.

  i think the reason i did it is that she reminded me of my mom and she caught me at a weak moment.

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  I carefully and successfully move away, pull the slow fade and it is ACCEPTED by everyone on MY END OF THINGS, and he comes stirring it up and "blowing my cover".

  Mustang...The thing that really ticks me off is that I blew my own cover. When my wife found out she said that I should have my head examined, and she's right. What a dumbass I am. What was in me that made me open up? I see it as a profound weakness, and it is never easy to accept weakness. I am still examining that one.

  Just when you think their explanations can't get any dumber, they STILL manage to sink to a new level of stupidity.

  Mary,

  I agree. I think that was one of the dumbest explanations of the NGO issue. The dubs are always looking for an explanation, especially for things that there is no possible explanation for. I notice that this generally happens when you catch them unaware and they search for something to say to try and convince you of the purity of the WTBS. So usually when they reason off the cuff they say something incredibly stupid. The funny thing is that it sounded perfectly reasonable to him.
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  Elder Explains NGO Issue...Now It Is Clear!

  by exjdub in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  quite a while ago an older sister stopped by my door, and stupid me, i let her know my life story in a nutshell.

  faded for 7 years, former ministerial servant, blah blah blah.

  i think the reason i did it is that she reminded me of my mom and she caught me at a weak moment.

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  Shamus:

  I believe he does have lots of family in the Org, but also, he stumbled years ago and did not return to the Org for about 10 years, so I think he is holding on for dear life. I feel bad for him in some ways because I am sure that he has doubts but keeps squelching them for survival. I have been there, as most have, and it is stifling.