Well done there is no point in pursuing a lifestyle that you find pointless and unfulfilling. You had no choice but to abandon a rigorously controlling religion ie cult based on lies. Hundreds of thousands of people have already done so.
greendawn
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I finally Left!
by The Doc 58 ini would like to give the full details of my leaving the jw's, but i don't have a lot of time at this moment.
basically i was raised in the organization and it drove me pretty insane bacause my father was an elder, mother a pioneer, sister a bethelite, etc.
so, i did the whole thing for a long time.
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What do you think will be the society's undoing?
by cognac ini think all the lawsuits and then the exposure to these lawsuits... .
what do you think?.
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As long as there are naive and uninformed people in society they will always find new victims. Life on earth and especially through the medium of an obviously seriously flawed organisation is a joke. Biblically there is no such such thing as eternal life on earth but they use it because it has a strong appeal to the uninformed masses that can relate to earthly things that they experienced rather than unknown never experienced heavenly things. The lure works better that way.
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What's with Ex-Jw's who join another religion? Fool me Twice????
by Witness 007 insorry no offense but why do some ex-witnesses here join another group....we have a muslim {muhamed was given a koran by an angel in a cave?
}....we have some baptists etc......i researched the bible and found there are 1,000's of gospels not part of the bible...so what's the deal...."fool me once shame on you..fool me twice shame on me" or do you have a reason for continued belief in religion...i really wan't to know since iam agnostic and don't believe in god or evolution????
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I also agree it depends on the nature of the religion one joins, not all religions are tightly controlling eploitative and twisted like the JWs, if you can call them a religion because they seem to operate as a commercial organisation under the guise of religion.
Some people have strong spiritual inclinations and desires that need a religion to function as their vehicle. Other people prefer not to have anything interfering with their instinctive nature and to live exclusively for the here and now. -
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Will this be "the Sign of the Son of Man"?
by a Christian inforgive me if this has been posted here before.
i just read about a comet that is now heading our way that will come closer to us than our moon.
this comet will be visible in earth's skies on april 13th ( good friday, the day of christ's death ) in the year 2029. it will then return exactly seven years later on april 13 ( easter sunday, the day of christ's resurrection ) in the year 2036. it is said that its 2029 pass through the earth's skies and its gravitational pull may alter its orbit just a little bit so that upon its return in 2036 it may strike the earth.
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No, people get workup and excited for no good reason, it is just getting carried away by sentimentalism triggered by anything that looks to be in the least way unusual. Similar to how the JWs go about eschatology (the last days issue).
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ten pounds in ten weeks
by Hortensia inso it's january 1 and i want to lose ten pounds in ten weeks.
i've been on a diet for a year and a half and have lost 130 pounds.
weight loss has slowed down, so i need more focus and more exercise.
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"I guess I'm alarming people with my 1400 calorie diet - that's net calories."
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144 000 blasted by the MATH (WT lying again)
by hamsterbait ini just took nathan natas chart for numbers of memorial partakers since 1935.. i worked out that on average 823 new partakers have been added every year since 1936, whilst on average 716 have been dying each year.. what is especially interesting, is that when the total of new partaker numbers almost exactly matches that given in w96 15/8 p31 for 1935, is in the year 1995 - they year they began to deliberately create the fog around the "generation" teaching.
(i used actual figures, not averages here).
i am now convinced that they have been paving the way for the feb 15 noolite since then.. i disregarded the figure for 1935 itself, since the witchtower gives two figures for partakers -.
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Hi again Chalam, in the end we seem to agree on everything and the really important issue of how in essence the JWs reject Jesus, as He said:
"unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you will not have eternal life." that is something the JWs do not do except a very small supposedly elite number of them.
As for the Jews I suppose you mean those that will eventually accept Jesus because at least all the religious Jews take guidance from the Talmud which is fiercely hostile to Jesus refering to him as the son of a whore (Mary) and a satanic sorcerer that is now burning in hell, such people clearly hate the Christ and will never be part of His kingdom. Not much change from the days of the Pharisees. -
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The WTS deprogramming
by greendawn indoes anyone have any interesting and helpful details regarding what this deprogramming involves?
we always here one should deprogram but what exactly does it involve what could be some useful tips to facilitate this process?
i was reading recently in the psychological studies of jung about the concept of the shadow the part of our mind that contains all the repressed and rejected material, some of it was rightly repressed (eg the desire to steal from, or otherwise harm innocent people) and some not.
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Must obey, I have found a couple of links that deal with the Jungian shadow concept:
http://www.lessonsforliving.com/shadow.htm
http://md.essortment.com/personalitypsyc_rnck.htm
You can also find many more by googling Jung + shadow, or to refine it more you can add to these keywords like: assimilation, integration.
Surely God doesn't act in the impatient way the JWs claim he does, they say that just to daze and confuse people mentally with a very negative and destructive authority symbol so as o then be better able to manipulate them by destroying the natural inner balance. That of course to those that take into their heart such insidious poisons. That's also why they go round in circles regarding the resurrection of all the burned people of Sodom. If they will be resurrected then God is not as harsh as they claim and this takes away much of the sting of armageddon where supposedly even innocent children will be for ever destroyed. Yet the then adult people of Sodom will be given a second chance!
Snowbird the JWs are not a christian religion so as to have a Christian spirit, their founder was intimately connected with occultic free masonry and judaism so what else can we expect? His grave is in a cemetary adjacent to a large masonic temple with a substantial stone pyramid near it bearing well known masonic symbols. It's not surprising that we find strong judaising influences in this organisation including the perception of God as a Lord rather than a Father, that adoption by the Spirit as Sons of God through Christ is unheard of among the dubs.
Journey on, you freed quite a bit of energy for developing a normal life by doing away with all the silly restrictions imposed by the self serving dub organisation. -
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The WTS deprogramming
by greendawn indoes anyone have any interesting and helpful details regarding what this deprogramming involves?
we always here one should deprogram but what exactly does it involve what could be some useful tips to facilitate this process?
i was reading recently in the psychological studies of jung about the concept of the shadow the part of our mind that contains all the repressed and rejected material, some of it was rightly repressed (eg the desire to steal from, or otherwise harm innocent people) and some not.
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Does anyone have any interesting and helpful details regarding what this deprogramming involves? We always here one should deprogram but what exactly does it involve what could be some useful tips to facilitate this process?
I was reading recently in the psychological studies of Jung about the concept of the shadow the part of our mind that contains all the repressed and rejected material, some of it was rightly repressed (eg the desire to steal from, or otherwise harm innocent people) and some not. In the JW mind there is an unhealthy amount of such repressed content due to the large number of induced prohibitions/repressions something that makes the shadow part unduly large. There are so many "thou shalt nots" in the insidious cult, prohibitions are everywhere much unlike what we find in a normal society.
According to Jung an overly big shadow ties down too much energy and turns someone into an energy starved, maladjusted, ravaged and lonely creature. The challenge is to release these energies and apply them to a healthy and profitable adaptation to life, to unrepress those numerous elements in the JW trained mind that are not bad, contrary to what the FDS claim.
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144 000 blasted by the MATH (WT lying again)
by hamsterbait ini just took nathan natas chart for numbers of memorial partakers since 1935.. i worked out that on average 823 new partakers have been added every year since 1936, whilst on average 716 have been dying each year.. what is especially interesting, is that when the total of new partaker numbers almost exactly matches that given in w96 15/8 p31 for 1935, is in the year 1995 - they year they began to deliberately create the fog around the "generation" teaching.
(i used actual figures, not averages here).
i am now convinced that they have been paving the way for the feb 15 noolite since then.. i disregarded the figure for 1935 itself, since the witchtower gives two figures for partakers -.
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Chalam I agree with you that the JWs have marginalised Jesus to an extend that makes their so called Christian nature false and deceptive. They focus almost exclusively on jehovah and to me that exposes their religion as Judaism in disguise.
It's not all about the church, the body, of Christ but rather the organisation of jehovah and they have openly stated that they are the wife of jehovah rather than the bride of the lamb. Sounds like judaism to me.
But I don't agree with the way you dismiss what are no doubt large numbers of honest Christian men and women throughout the Christian era that's nearly 2000 years long. Indeed not all so called Christians are genuine and most are not but even a very small percentage of genuine ones from the vast number of total Christians over two millenia amounts to a very large number.
You may still be influenced by the JW attitude which requires absolute ideological doctrinal purity to validate someone as a christian but that is an extreme view. It's keeping the essence of the Christian ideology that really matters. The JWs themselves have made a total mess of doctrine regarding many issues and they keep changing them silently admitting that the previous versions were erroneous.
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ten pounds in ten weeks
by Hortensia inso it's january 1 and i want to lose ten pounds in ten weeks.
i've been on a diet for a year and a half and have lost 130 pounds.
weight loss has slowed down, so i need more focus and more exercise.
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greendawn
"My doctor says 1400 calories is about what a healthy middle-aged woman would eat, so I'm trying to stick with that for the rest of my life."
You better not because that is the minimum amount of calories one should consume WHILE DIETING. To maintain weight (no loss, no gain) a woman leading a sedentary life would need 2000 - 2200 calories per day so after reaching your ideal weight you should stick to that amount of calories. Otherwise you will carry on losing weight until you become a starved skeleton.
I was also on diet over 18 months from June 2006 to December 2007 and lost 84LB to reach ideal weight of 160LB. Now I consume 3000 calories per day since I exercise every day, otherwise it would be around 2500 for sedentary living.