fred, we know the semantics.
ash
"I pray that I may never see the desert again-hear me God."-Robert Bolt
ashitaka
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Summing up WT & UN for Lurkers
by JT ini thought this post really summed up the wt very well.
and i agree-- for all you lurkers out there we can only feel pity for you as you try so hard to hold onto a pipe dream-.
if you ever needed a reason to take a serious look at your belief system this is it.. .
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So, who REALLY were/are the "Nephilim"?
by AGuest inmay you all have peace!.
once again, i have received a 'writing' on my heart, which i am directed to share with any and all who will 'receive' it.. for many years, the wtbts and others have taught the "nephilim" to be the offspring of angels who had relations with the daughters of men, half-breed beings that wreaked havoc in a violent way in the earth during the days of noah, just prior to the flood.
that, dear ones... is an error... and a lie.. by the spirit of my father, the holy one of israel, jah of armies, that is in me by means of christ, i say to you that the "nephilim"... are spirit creatures, ancient beings... 'of old'... princes from the spirit realm, the 'wicked spirit forces'... that came to the earth to 'fell' earthling man in the days of noah.. these being are those that i saw standing to the left of my father's throne, shrouded in darkness, and 'egging' on the 'battle' between to the two brilliant cherubs on the ark, the 'arkangels', which i related to you previously on h20.
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ashitaka
ne phlem? good, at least you're not congested as well as sick in the head.
"I pray that I may never see the desert again-hear me God."-Robert Bolt
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"You Knew The Score When You...."
by Englishman inso many tragic stories here of lost family and friends due to the shunning policy of the wtbts.. time and again we hear tales from newly df'd and da'd persons.
how, maybe when out shopping, they have encountered an active jw who, before shunning them, has whispered hoarsely:"you knew the score when you did what you did...".
but is this a fair argument?
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ashitaka
the score? Knowledge of the score is dragged out of you everytime someone else's conscience manipulates you into losing your own uniqueness. It adds itself up when you alter every aspect of your life. You don't know the score until someone slaps you in the face.
And then you run like hell so as not to be labeled immorral. Then, down the line you get so fed up with running you tell everyone to go f-themselves and then everyone shuns you like they always wanted to-
and all because you thought about something carefully and said, "NO!"
other people know your score-they gossip about it in field service, and lay it out before you when you offend someone for the slightest trifle. you believe in christian love until you realize love is a hollow word, and that the "strongest" conscience rules the roost.
the only people who know the score are the ones who have been burned, or are the ones lighting the fire.
ashitaka
p.s the score did us all in.
"I pray that I may never see the desert again-hear me God."-Robert Bolt
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The Lure Of God
by radar inin just a few years all of us here will be forgotten, we will be dead and buried.
all our dealings will mean nothing.. ok there may be a few written works flying around for awhile, that some us have taken part in, and maybe a few of us may have been able to effect some changes for the good of some.yet all this can and probably will be reversed in a blink of an eye.some new cult or ruler will arise and start the whole cycle of pain over again.. the earth anyway, as a limited lifespan.
if mankind does not destroy itself, either our sun or some comet will.. so everything will end one day, as if no life ever existed here on earth, no rememberance, no purpose, no nothing.. so does it pay to dwell on the "big picture" of life?.
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ashitaka
hey ray,
i had a talk with my wife the other nite about black holes, and general physics and the universe. basically, my conclusion was that we are just awful bugs on a pretty rock. i can't see any point but to love people and live well-giving to all, because i think that all this mess called earth won't be sorted out for a very long time, if ever.
here's a quote "I see. We make an idol of our fear, and call it God."
ashitaka
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What is their objective?
by dmouse inask a jw if they go around trying to convert people to their religion and they will invariably say something like no, we are not trying to convert people to our religion we simply want to spread the good news.
or we are just bringing comfort to people who are crying out at the distress in the world.. why do they want to deny the fact that their main objective is to get new converts?.
well, they can deny it no longer.
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ashitaka
ranchette, right-i think my congregation elders used the term "scare them off."
scare, indeed.
ashitaka
"I pray that I may never see the desert again-hear me God."-Robert Bolt
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Exercise--Is It For Christians?
by comment inexcerpted from a future issue of the watchtower:.
in modern times, great emphasis has been laid upon diet and exercise, particularly in western lands.
people are often impressed by the physiques of athletes and movie stars presented in the media.
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ashitaka
L OO L
"I pray that I may never see the desert again-hear me God."-Robert Bolt
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We are forgetting something.
by MrMoe inthose of us who are no longer jw's were jw's at one point in time, correct?.
we all know for a fact that 95% of jw's do care - so much - that they endure mosquitoes, heat, cold, fire ants, rabid dogs, loss of personal income, spend their free time dedicated to helping others, and much much more to help assholes who hate them to help save their lives.. please - do not carry anger towards these people, because we were once like them (blind.
) it is not their fault they are wrong - because at one point in time we were all like them.
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ashitaka
moe,
I already talked to you on another thread, and here's another view.
Perhaps we're just still in that beaten-dog defensive mode. I know I am. I have never struck another person, and rarely get into fights-it's just not my nature. But, I do harbor so much resentment towards the control people are under and represent. It's hard to get past the immediate and be cool with the people who have chastised and badgered you in the past.
I mean, the seven or eight congregations in my area present me with daily reminders of my "sin" which is no sin at all. I'm a married man living a chaste life, free of abuse or neglect. But the looks, chastisment and anger towards my decisions have made me angry towards all of them. And the mindset is the "all are goats" mindset. I don't know enough about you to surmise, but if you were an active witness for a few years, then you know what place everyone played in your life. Your brothers were the everything and all. They were your only-and they all said the same things about the "goats" at the doors.
Just the thought of people coming to MY DOOR and judging me is irritating, and it reminds me of every bad time I had with them.
But, you're right, like I said in the other thread. I just wanted to say what I think other people think-perhaps.
I know I feel a bit lost.
Ashitaka
"I pray that I may never see the desert again-hear me God."-Robert Bolt
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Important point re WT-UN issue
by comment inon the main thread concerning the watchtower society's being a registered non-governmental organization with the united nations, the objection was raised that if the department of public information decides to revoke the society's ngo status, those wishing to expose the society's hypocrisy in this matter would no longer have the option of showing their witness acquaintances the society's name listed among the other ngos on the un web site.. however:.
if the society lost its status and was removed, would there not be an announcement or press release on the web site about the decision?
it would be very odd to just drop an ngo without letting the public know about it.
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ashitaka
msil, what did madap do?
i've been reading the threads but didn't understand the plans people were hatching.
ashitaka
"I pray that I may never see the desert again-hear me God."-Robert Bolt
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Demonized Wall Paper!
by D wiltshire inyears ago i studied with a couple, that told me of an elder that studied with them years before.. they were having marital discord at the time and this elder was famous for finding demon posessed objects.. so this elder while conducting his study and talking about their marital problems asked them if perhaps they may have inadvertently brought home a demon posessed object, and that this was the cause of their domestic problems.. well they went through their whole apartment with this elder to see if they could find anything, but were unsucessfull.
finally when in the kitchen the elder said he felt strange and that something in the kitchen must be causing it, they looked and looked but nothing.. but when the elder touched the walls of the kitchen, he felt the presents of something there on the walls that could be the causing of their problems.
so they dung into the wall of the kitchen and found that it was painted over a couple layers of old wall paper.. guess what was one of the pictures they found on one of the layers of wall paper?.
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ashitaka
was this guy carrying a divining rod at the time?
ashitaka
"I pray that I may never see the desert again-hear me God."-Robert Bolt
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They know
by Vida inthe hardcore jehovahs witness know that it is not real, that its all a mind game or if you like a make-believe reality they live in.. all jws sooner or later come to this knowledge and then some decide to stay and some decide to leave.
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ashitaka
Folks, I was a JW my whole life, and didn't even know about 1980. Those secrets are guarded so closely.....
When I did find out I stopped immediatly, but perhaps you guys are right. Most of the elders have to know what "apostates" say in order to counteract it, so when they notice someone questioning too much, they can pounce on it.
Which is why those people are committing unconsciencable acts when they berate someone for asking the 'wrong' questions.
ashitaka
"I pray that I may never see the desert again-hear me God."-Robert Bolt