Posts by Nina

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HELP! How do you answer the Elders without incriminating yourself?

by stichione in

i?m due soon for a shepherding call from my congregation elders for a variety of reasons: being irregular in service, s poradically attending meetings, and o h yes, writing in a letter to the society asking for clarifications on the blood ban.

i?m sure that one question that they will be asking me is: d

o you believe that jehovah is using the organization as his only approved channel of communication?

Nina

See this thread for suggestions:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/71591/1.ashx

Nina

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The Definition of Dialect

by Ariell in

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a regional or social variety of a language distinguished by pronunciation, grammar, or vocabulary, especially a variety of speech differing from the standard literary language or speech pattern of the culture in which it exists: cockney is a dialect of english.

this is one of the definitions for dialect that i found at dictionary.com.

i think ebonics fits the profile of this definition.

Nina

When I was growing up my mother wouldn't let me speak anything except Standard English. It was a crusade with her. When I was less than four years old she taught me to repeat things like "Do you enunciate and articulate correctly?" Try saying that aloud, perfectly, right now. She didn't let me say things like "how 'bout a kiss?" (a popular expression when she was a teen) although she might say it herself. I had to say "Would you like to participate in an osculatory display?" Imagine a little kid coming out with an expression like that! I never used slang. I seldom used contractions. I was not allowed to associate with other children of my age and cultural background. I honestly didn't know that my background was the same as theirs. I grew up viewing people of "my own" as "different". BTW, this was all pre-JW days. No one in my family has ever been a JW, that came later and involved only me!

When I finished high school it was easy to find a job. I talked the talk! Again, I had no idea that I was different. I moved from childhood into adulthood never perceiving that other people had, as part of their personal repertoire, something "more".

I married "out of my class". That's when I started to notice that something was going on. Since I didn't know that there were other ways to "be" I married a person from another cultural/ethnic group thinking that we were "just the same". Of course in some senses we were, but I didn't comprehend that just because we were both raised to speak Standard English that there were other phenomena lurking in the background. One of us was "dirt poor", one of us was "rich". One was one "color", one was another. One set of relatives was prejudiced, so was the other but with a different set of prejudices! When his mother refused to let me ride in her car I knew I was up against something I had only heard about in the past. I blame quite a number of his problems as well as the eventual demise of our marriage on a failure to recognize valid cultural differences as well as an abysmal lack of human respect.

I lived solely in a world of Standard English speakers. Becoming involved with JW's was another adventure into a world of Standard English. Again, I thought it was the only way to speak, so the "friendship" offered seemed wonderful to me. I did not perceive that they were using the word "friend" in a marginal way. I had no way to apprehend that the Witness definition of "friendship" was different than mine. I knew only one way to live and to speak.

Standard English is designed to conduct business. It's a trade language. No one, and I repeat, no one comes from a culture where Standard English is the native tongue. Standard English designed for use by people who are assuming a role in a transaction. When the transaction is complete they exit that role. When they act in their personal lives they are free to choose either Standard English or some dialect, theirs or another they have learned along their way. To use anything other than Standard English in corporate professional life is counterproductive. To use a dialect may win a sale or influence a deal but it is used therein as a tool and not as true communication.

Over the years I have learned a lot about language. I?ve learned about dialects as well. I?ve learned that going back and attempting to integrate into one?s birth "culture" does not produce the same result as growing up within that group. There is no communal experience, thus I have no "roots".

I wish that I had known long ago that Standard English is part of an educational process. To be educated does not mean giving up who you are or where you come from. Education is meant to enhance, not to replace. In addition to providing instruction in Standard English perhaps it is also necessary to define its role. Presuming that this is universally understood can be the source of much miscommunication.

Nina

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Looking for Emily Hawes..

by nemo in

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she is located in portland oregon.

she is married i don't now her new last name, she left the organization about 5 years ago.

Nina

Offense is not the issue here, it's a matter of personal security.

Nina

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Who is the most famous person you know or have met?

by confusedjw in

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just wondering what experiences you good folks have had with the the famous (or infamous)?

Nina

AlanF wrote:

I speak to God all the time and he answers back.

Does He speak in the first, second, or third person?

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Do You Think Your Family & Friends Will Ever Get Out Of The Religion??

by minimus in

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can you imagine certain ones making it out of the religion, somehow, sometime?

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Nina

If I can be out, aaaaaaaaaaaanybody can leave. Let it happen on its own.

Nina

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Looking for Emily Hawes..

by nemo in

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friends

she is located in portland oregon.

she is married i don't now her new last name, she left the organization about 5 years ago.

Nina

pudin-head wrote:

I am know Emily...

Which is it? You are or you know?

Either way, why don't you PM your contact information instead of requesting personally identifiable information from another poster?

Nina

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Need Help..Divorce Loophole

by nemo in

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ok, one of my close friends is getting a divorce, from her scumbag husband, but she is not scripturally free, i need to know if there is a loophole in the society literature as to being able to remarry.

thanks for the help.