Posts by Athanasius

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Did you know that J.F. Rutherford was part of the Knights of Pythias? There's PROOF for this!

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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wow.

wow.someone just sent me a scan of the boonville advertiser newspaper in which it mentions j.f.

Athanasius

Another item from Joe Rutherford's history that the Watchtower leaves out is his political activity. Rutherford was active in Missouri Democratic Party politics beginning in 1891. The local newspapers considered him a reformer and part of the progressive wing of the party. In fact he campaigned for the office of State Representative for Cooper County in 1896 as a liberal. He lost the Democratic Party nomination by less than 100 votes. But that didn't end his political career because in the general election Rutherford campaigned vigorously for William Jennings Bryan, his political idol, even adopting Bryan's style of dress.

Rutherford was still active in Democratic Party politics as late as 1904. But in 1906 he joined the Bible Student movement and got involved in Watchtower politics.

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THE AGEING OF STILL-ACTIVE WITNESSES

by steve2 in

several years ago i started a thread on this forum in which i asserted i had not seen witnesses door-knocking in my village for at least two or so years.

years before that - in pre-trolley times - in going about my business (or pleasure), i'd catch sight of them on the streets as they shuffled in their groups from door-to-door: sometimes there'd be contingents of witnesses, including young couples, parents and their kids and middle-aged and older ones.

in other words, a good cross-section of ages and stages in life.. in fact, i can remember times when witnesses were so visible in numbers when going out in their car groups, you literally couldn't escape them.. then, in more recent years, i've seen very, very little...if not anything (and i count myself sensitive to noting whether jws are out and about).

Athanasius

I live in northern California, and my non-JW wife and I have lived at our present address for 14 years and the JWs have been by only twice. The first time it was a JW inquiring if we had a deaf person in our household. Apparently this JW was only interested in communicating with deaf people. So when I told him that my wife and I didn't have a hearing problem, the JW promptly left.

Then about four years ago the JWs left a tract on our doormat while we were out. My guess is that in our locality the JWs have given up the door to door work for the literature trolleys. I frequently see older couples tending the trolleys, but nobody paying any attention to them.

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If turned off by the GB's latest bloopers- do you still have faith in God and Christ?

by the-Question in

some go back to churchianity!.

and that, to me, indicates they never had real faith in god- but it was in men.....

Athanasius

If Chuck Russell used the term "Churchianity," perhaps Mr. Question can supply a reference or two.

Though I left the JWs in 1984 ago, I was an active JW for over 30 years.before my exit and don't recall "Churchianity" ever being used by the Watchtower. If they did, please supply a reference.

However, there is a cult that frequently uses "Churchianity" in their publications, the Assemblies of Yahweh. Like the JWs, the Yahweh people have their own version of the Bible and have inserted the Divine Name into the New Testament in more verses than the JWs.

Perhaps "the-Question" is covering his/her rear and is dabbling in both cults.

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Does anybody know the story with this?

by careful in

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there is a book entitled untouchable by jacob miller published in 2010 (© by angel garcia).

the cover says that it's about "the biggest latino gangster ever recorded to be associated with the mafia.

" ordinarily i could care less about things like that.

Athanasius

The book Untouchable by Jacob Miller is still in print. Amazon has copies for $23.99.

What I found interesting was a statement in the Author's Preface about the book. It said that the book "was based on a true story."

No doubt like a lot of films that also claim to be based on a true story, much of the book is fiction.

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New KH being built near where I live

by A Believer in

there are two kingdom halls in two parts of the county i live in.

one is smaller and their are already about to begin work to replace with a new one.. just posting because i noticed posts saying their wasn't new khs being built.

and i learned this today from someone..

Athanasius

Evidently when the new KH is completed the Watchtower will have the existing congregations all share the one new KH and then sell the old KHs for a hefty profit.

Hopefully, Believer, you live near where the new KH will be built. If not, then you will be privileged to use "your valuable things" to finance your commute to the new KH to attend the meetings.

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Living Vicariously Through the Sheep.

by donny in

when i got baptized as a jehovah’s witness in the summer of 83, my honeymoon period lasted about two years before i began to wonder if the society and its adherents were all it claimed to be.

no of the things i encountered for the first few years was really faith shattering, they simply just made me pause and think.

after a short while, i would file those issues in the back of my brain files and move forward.. .

Athanasius

Unfortunately the OP doesn't make it clear as to whether the confidential file that he read was the official Judicial Committee's report, or the elder's own personal notes of the interview with the sister that he kept for his own purpose.

Having served on several J.Cs back in the 1970s, unless there have been major changes in procedure, the official report of the committee was signed by all three elders. While it is true that some elders do ask inappropriate questions during J.C. Meetings, I doubt that the elders would sign their names to such an erotically written missive and put it in the congregation file. Keep in mind that the C.O sometimes reviews J.C cases.

Hopefully the OP will clarify things. Otherwise like “Under The Radar” and “LongHair Gal,” I'm skeptical of the OP's account.

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JW Literature Trolleys Don't Carry the Book Of Mormon

by Athanasius in

this morning the jws set up two literature trolleys at our local shopping centre.

the trolleys were situated within 20 feet of each other with six jws attending them.

why they needed six jws on hand i have no idea as everyone was ignoring them.. anyway i thought i'd have some fun.

Athanasius

This morning the JWs set up two literature trolleys at our local shopping centre. The trolleys were situated within 20 feet of each other with six JWs attending them. Why they needed six JWs on hand I have no idea as everyone was ignoring them.

Anyway I thought I'd have some fun. So I approached one of the trolleys and gave the appearance of being interested. This trolley was attended by two middle aged women and an older white haired woman. One of the younger women said: "Good morning."

So I asked her if they had the Book of Mormon. Her answer was a little surprising by what she failed to say. She answered saying: "No, but we have the Bible."

What surprised me was the fact that she didn't make it clear that they were JWs and not LDS. Perhaps the new strategy is to let the inquirer think they are something else so as not to scare him away. So then she hands me the gray revised NWT. I examine it briefly and say: "Do you have the larger edition, like the one that the guy on JW Survey has in his library? You know, the one just to his right on the shelf behind him?"

Then she says: "Yes, I know what you mean. But we don't have it with us this morning, but I can get a copy and have it here next week if you want to stop by."

I thanked her and said I might be by next week if I'm not working. Then I walked off and did my shopping.

I may be wrong, but I left with the impression that this woman may be catching John Ceders show on the net.

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Has anyone thought about if a General strike take place by undocumented immigrants.

by James Mixon in

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this would cripple the economy, don't know about other states in the union but it would.

be devastating for the border states.

here in california restaurants (no workers) closed, .

Athanasius

Maybe it would force their employers to pay a decent wage.

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Craziest meeting in last 10 years let's compare

by Chook in

hi guys ,i'm new here 27 in 1 year out.. ive escaped 2 judicially by changing congs in rapid escape .i will tell my last dodged bullet.i swear these word as gospel honest.6 years ago in oz i'm in cong only about a year and tensions were running high due to a crazy old european bro ex elder who took no shit from the 10 apostles.i like him i don't know if it was the rebel in me or underdog syndrome but good guy 74years old he was.we just had this big sense the razor were getting sharpened.we arrive at thursday's night meeting my wife was at home so another big boring night i thought,was i wrong.the body has every mongrel breed.the three main characters were the italian dutch german,service committee.we start with song prayer ,the dutchy get up and says we are making adjustments to meeting tonight the arrogant bastard says only bible reading tonight then there agender.dutchy says.what is most amazing is these 10 idiots agreed to this changing of meeting program.

(these words are true)"we have a korah influence in cong and the 10 apostles have established an open judicial committee,the elders said there was evil in our mist .so to root out the evil if anyone has heard a bro say anything against any elders recently the are to report to the three stooges.well dutchy dims light and play the old prehistoric korah movie to the cong ,the bloody creation movie by russell was higher quality.

30 mins later german takes to the stage for the circus to begin.he repeats the dutch mantra ,well the publishers were looking at each other like it was north korea ,could have heard a pin drop,we are all thinking to ourselves we are all guilty of bitchin about the bastards .before meeting had finished halfway thru movie i rang my mate to tell him about "the burning "as the meeting became affectionately known.get home tell wife she don't believe me,within 2 days she believed.it was the talk of area.i had never rang bethel previously because i believed it was heaven and it didn't need my voice.next morning ring service desk in sydney and all i said i was concerned what took place at meeting last night .

Athanasius

How long ago did this happen? I thought the Borg got rid of the District Overseers several years ago. Was Australia exempted, do they still have DOs?

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Elders and Attendants sing, clap and turn backs on Street Preacher after Duluth RC.

by ToesUp in

very strange behavior by the attendants and elders after the duluth, ga, rc.

on the first link the attendants start to exit the arena, then line up and turn their backs on the street preachers.

(around the 6:00 mark).. elders and attendants after duluth rc.

Athanasius

The JW leadership must be in panic mode these days. I left the JWs over 30 years ago, but back then they just ignored the street preachers. Moreover, JWs have been so well indoctrinated against the Trinity that what this street preacher was saying would have no effect on them. So why have all the elders and mini servs come out to form a barricade and sing a JW chant to drown out the preacher's rants? That's overkill.

Though I could see the JW leaders going to this extreme if the street preacher was talking about child abuse in the JW religion.