Athanasius

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  Ravenna Kingdom Hall

  by Lynnie in

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  another kingdom hall sold off in seattle.

  this kingdom hall has been around forever but it's in a very desirable location in seattle by green lake so i'm sure there will be lots of $$.

  lots of merging of halls here in the puget sound area..

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  Hopefully the Watchtower will use the money from the KH sale to get better actors for their videos.
  
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  New convention video

  by Olig in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i've just seen a snippet of a new convention release, and it's obviously a reenactment (bloody poor one - look at the state of the disposable beards lol!

  ) of bible times.. the chap speaking is heard saying if your family members turn away and serve false gods, you should kill them!.

  https://twitter.com/jfnilsen/status/1133000862719270912?s=09.

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  Something tells me that the production of these videos cost the Watchtower a few bucks. Stage setup, props, soundtrack, etc. doesn't come cheap. Perhaps this is part of the reason why more money is going out of Watchtower coffers than is coming in.
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  Are there any JW songs that you HATE?

  by neat blue dog in

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  you're probably thinking 'all of them', and it's true that the songbook is riddled with wrong stuff .

  but are there any songs in particular that irk your moral sensibilities?.

  for me it would be song #26, "you did it for me".

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  Some of the old JW song books contained Christian hymns in which the lyrics had been changed to fit Watchtower theology. I think that they admitted this when they introduced the "baby sh_t brown" song book in the 1980s, as it supposedly contained only JW lyrics and music.

  But like others have mentioned, the new songs were lifeless and hard to sing.
  
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  Do You See JWs Going From House to House Anymore?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i used to see them in my neighborhood or while driving.

  there is a hispanic congregation nearby.

  i used to see witnesses out all the time, some even doing the slow pioneer shuffle.

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  I retired ten years ago, so my wife and I are usually home during the week and weekends. JWs stopped by only two times during this time. Once they left a brochure, as we weren't home. The second time a thirty something JW, possibly a Mini-Serve, asked if we had any deaf persons in our household. Since both my wife and I have excellent hearing, I told him no. I guess he wasn't interested in talking with people who can hear well, as he thanked me for my time and quickly departed.

  Other than that, I haven't seen the JWs working our neighborhood, even though there are two congregations within five miles.
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  Do You Think The Obama Administration Should Be Investigated For How They Treated The Trump Accusations?

  by minimus in

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  i hope that the trump administration looks into obama , clinton and all the other players for trying to usurp the legitimacy of the trump presidency..

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  Perhaps the leftists and rightists who want to debate politics can visit political forums and leave this site free to discuss the problems facing the JW and ex-JW communities.
  
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  Watchtower can be greatfull they gave Michael Jackson the flick when they did

  by joe134cd in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was just thinking how greatful wt can be that they dfed him when they did.

  could you imagine the hammering they would be taking now from the ex-jw community, in light of the recent documentary.

  i’m by no means sticking up for them i’m just saying, that’s all..

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  I think that Jackson disassociated himself from the JWs and avoided being DFd. But I could be mistaken.
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Called At My Door

  by Roger Kirkpatrick in

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  2. experiences

  last saturday morning, i answered a knock at my door to see a man standing next to a young boy who handed me a pamphlet posing the question, "how do you view the bible?

  would you say it is (1) a book of human wisdom?

  (2) a book of myths and legends?

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  I don't recall if the OP invited the JW dad and son inside and sat them down in his living room for the discussion. If so, the story is believable.

  As a JW I remember back in the 1960s canvasing a neighborhood on a cold Saturday morning and being invited inside for a Bible discussion by a religious person. It was so nice to get in out of the cold that we didn't mind losing a religious debate with a friendly person. Plus we got to count easy time for an hour or so and avoid having to knock on other doors and irritate householders in cold weather.
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  Why NO bibles??

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. beliefs

  i know we have all said it before, but it simply blows my mind that the jws doing cart work do not have bibles on the cart to give out to interested ones!.

  how can they say they are "bible students" trying to share the "bibles message" and not give out bibles!?.

  other christian groups take the commission to share the bible seriously!

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  Perhaps the JWs in Northern California are different, but when I asked the trolley JWs if they had the Book Of Mormon, they said no. But they did have the Bible. And so they gave me a copy of the new Revised NWT with the gray cover. A few months later I approached another JW literature trolley and they gave me another Revised NWT. They didn't ask for a donation so I got both Bibles for free.
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  After leaving the JWs - Has anyone stayed with Christianity?

  by rulehayl in

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  2. experiences

  i recently made the decision to stop studying with my study conductor, due to a situation i found myself in that led to a high possibility of my unbaptized publisher "rights" being taken away from me.

  i have since told my study conductor i have joined a new church (to which she dropped me like a hot rock, of course).... last time i posted on here, i was progressing nicely towards baptism, and was well into it.anyhoo, i like my new church, very hillsong-esqe.

  so just wondering if anyone else has stayed the course of christianity after leaving the jws, and if so - where did you go?

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  After leaving the JWs, I attended Unitarian Church services for a while. Then a classmate invited me to Anglican Church services, which I found more to my liking. Later I was baptized and confirmed in the Anglican Church.

  While I remained a Christian after leaving the JWs, others have followed a different path. This may lead one to Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, or Secularism. Whether one chooses religion or non-religion, that is their choice and it's not my place to criticize their decision.
  
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  How were you 'outed' ??

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  many of us here have been "outed" as ones who no longer believe that this is "the truth".. many didn't have the chance to do it in our own way, and in our own time, but rather someone "found out about our apostasy" and "reported" it to the spiritual police (elders).

  would you like to share your stories?.

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  My non-JW grandmother innocently outed me to a JW elderette customer of hers. At the time I was living on my grandmother's ranch and the JW elderette had noticed my second wife leaving our house. So she asked my grandmother who was the woman living with me. Grandmother told her that I'd remarried and the woman was my new wife. However, according to JW rules, my marriage was "unscriptural" as my ex-wife had remained celibate and had not remarried.
  

  Since it had been over five years since I'd resigned as an elder and stopped attending JW meetings I figured that the statute of limitations had run out. Moreover, I'd established a new life and had no intention of returning to the borg. So I could care less if they formed a JC and DFd me.

  Anyway a couple of weeks later I get a call from an elder in my old congregation. He asked if I'd remarried, which I answered in the affirmative. Then he asked the usual JC question, did I believe that God was using the "faithful slave" as his earthly organization, or something to that effect.

  Instead of making their job easy and giving NO as my answer, I decided to have some fun with them. So I told him that I'd been under a lot of emotional stress due to the breakup of my previous marriage, and didn't feel that I could answer that question at the present time.

  They did form a JC and asked me to me to meet with them. Instead I had my attorney send the JC a letter requesting that they not harass me. A month later he got a 16 page letter from MCabe, the Watchtower lawyer, saying to forget about suing them as Uncle Sam was on their side. The letter was mostly a boasting about all the legal cases the Watchtower had won. Actually I had no intention of taking legal action against them. I just wanted them to know they had no power over me.
  

  A year later an announcement was made at my old congregation to the effect that the JC had determined that I had disassociated myself and was no longer a JW. This was in 1989 and the announcement must have been limited to just the local congregation as JWs in nearby congregations still greeted me whenever we met as if I was just an inactive JW.