historians and scientists agree: the egyptian pyramids were built between 2500 - 2100 bc.
we even have some astronomical evendence that this is true: http://www.robertbauval.com/articles/gpdating.html.
jws teach that:the flood occured at 2370 bcestimates that the tower of babel was constructed around 2189 bcjoseph was sold into slavery 1750 bc (eventually to eygpt, already established as a world power).
XQ: Good show. I found an excellent link for the stone henge timeline at
http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/filestore/stonehengeinteractivemap/timeline/
This shows stone henge starting in 2600 BC with previous developments going back to 2900 BC. What really convinces me is that you have to have established civilization and a formal culture to accomplish anything on this scale.
today i drove my daughter nancy to shool after the incident last night to ensure that she was ok. she never showed up to her first class, but took a bunch of pills she pilfered from her mother's bathroom a couple of weeks ago.
she was discovered, and i was called.
i took her to the hospital right away.
My heart goes out to you. Stay close to your daughter, she needs to have a parent she can trust.
historians and scientists agree: the egyptian pyramids were built between 2500 - 2100 bc.
we even have some astronomical evendence that this is true: http://www.robertbauval.com/articles/gpdating.html.
jws teach that:the flood occured at 2370 bcestimates that the tower of babel was constructed around 2189 bcjoseph was sold into slavery 1750 bc (eventually to eygpt, already established as a world power).
Historians and scientists agree: the Egyptian pyramids were built between 2500 - 2100 BC. We even have some astronomical evendence that this is true: http://www.robertbauval.com/articles/gpdating.html
JWs teach that:
This leaves JWs to explain that the entire Eygyptian culture started and built pyramids between the 2189 - 1750: 430 years. You might think this is reasonable until you consider that the Babel population was scattered all over the earth. "because there Jehovah had confused the language of all the earth, and Jehovah had scattered them from there over all the surface of the earth." -Gen 11:9
JWs estimate the population at the scattering of Babel to be 8,000 adult males (Insight on the Scriptures Vol 1, pg 460). Even if you consider a population split in four directions, that's only 2000 adult men settling in the Egpyt. Give them time to develop culture and influence to start building massive tombs, what say, 200 years? Don't forget lots of babies too. So, in 230 years you get the wonder of the world and a complete civilization? Talk about a quick-build.
Anyone see the problem here? What does the WTS say about it?
*** it-1 pp. 450-451 Chronology ***
Since the Bible points to the year 2370 B.C.E. as the date of the global Flood, Egyptian history must have begun after that date. The problems in Egyptian chronology shown above are doubtless responsible for the figures advanced by modern historians who would run Egyptian history all the way back to the year 3000 B.C.E.
Greater confidence is placed by Egyptologists in the ancient inscriptions themselves. Yet, the carefulness, truthfulness, and moral integrity of the Egyptian scribes are by no means above suspicion. As Professor J. A. Wilson states: "A warning should be issued about the precise historical value of Egyptian inscriptions. That was a world of . . . divine myths and miracles." Then after suggesting that the scribes were not above juggling the chronology of events to add praise to the particular monarch in power, he says: "The historian will accept his data at face value, unless there is a clear reason for distrust; but he must be ready to modify his acceptance as soon as new materials put the previous interpretation in a new light."?The World History of the Jewish People, 1964, Vol. 1, pp. 280, 281.
quoted from our kingdom ministry september 2004:.
dear kingdom publishers:.
we rejoice to announce that, with jehovah?s blessing, the new presses and bindery at wallkill are now in operation.
CORRECTION: That's actually 1.3%
Sorry!
ok, i was reading the awake article thread, and i thought, we have "yound people ask" but no "old people ask" so what about some article titles for the old?.
old people ask: "why has the new system been *just around the corner* for over 100 years?".
old people ask: "why didn't i save for my retirement?".
Will all these bodies bouncing off the front of my car get a reserection?
LMAO Old People Ask: Who Are These Kids Writing the Watchtower?
i heard a discussion on fox news last night about a surprise at the republican convention this week.
i cannot remember the analyst's name but he was basing it on several factors: dick cheney has cancelled all public appearances scheduled for this week (tv and radio interviews,etc)john mccain is speaking at the convention tonight (monday)tomorrow john mccain leaves ny to join the president in the west for two days of personal appearances and campaigningboth of them return to ny for the convention and the acceptance speech on thursdaylots of buzz at the convention about a big surprise coming during the week.. the prediction is that cheney will announce that his doctor has advised him that his health may not stand another 4 years as vp and that bush will announce john mccain as his running mate.
did anyone else hear this?
http://www.thestar.com/nasapp/cs/contentserver?pagename=thestar/layout/article_type1&c=article&cid=1093818611324&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968350060724
fewer global battlegrounds in 2003: researchers.
charles j. hanley.
Elsewhere:
JWs predict:
Oh, God its true! (Runs back to Kingdom Hall...)
jw doctrine teaches that the 1,000 years of christ corresponds to "judgment day," and everyone who has not already been judged will be resurrected from the dead.
the exceptions would be those who died during the flood, the destruction of sodom and gomorrah, and a few odd individuals.
but that's only the people living today.
Printed in 1970 when world population was about 3.7 billion. August 2004 currently estmated at 6.4 billion.
*** g70 10/8 p. 19 Where Would All the People Live? ***
It is just in recent centuries that earth?s population has grown tremendously. In this regard, Dr. Albert L. Elder, as president of the American Chemical Society, stated at a meeting of that society in 1960:
?It took over 5000 years of human history up to about 1820 to reach a world population of 1.1 billion. Within the following century, population doubled. Now, it stands at about 2.8 billion and could reach 3 billion early in the 1960?s [as it has done]. Thus, in less than 50 years there has been an increase in population equivalent to that which occurred during the first 50 centuries.?
So those who are alive today represent a sizable number of those who have ever lived on this earth. In fact, in 1966 a speaker at the Florida State Pharmaceutical Association convention observed: ?It is now estimated that 25 per cent of all the people who have ever lived are alive today.??Jacksonville Journal, May 18, 1966.
On the basis of that estimate, the population throughout all human history would be only some 14,000,000,000 persons. But suppose that many more than that have lived on the earth. Let us add 10,000,000,000 more persons and assume that a population of 24,000,000,000 is involved. Would there be room for them? Well, since the earth has over 36,000,000,000 acres, there would be more than an acre and a half of land for each person! But would an acre and a half be enough to produce the needed food? There is good reason to believe that only a fraction of that acre and a half per person would be needed for food, leaving room for recreation areas and sanctuaries for animal and plant life.
Earth Can Produce Enough Food
According to The World Today: Its Patterns and Cultures (1966, p. 76), less than one eighth of the total land area of the earth is suitable for growing crops. The yield of much of the land that is cultivated is very poor, and farming methods are often not the most efficient. But even now, under conditions that are far from ideal, it is admitted that earth has the potential to support a much larger population. For example, Time magazine of July 13, 1970, in an article about new, high-yield strains of wheat and rice, reported that the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization ?now maintains that the world?s agricultural potential is great enough to feed 157 billion people.? Surely, then, the earth could support 24,000,000,000 persons.
If we add current population factor (+2.7 billion) we now have:
1.3 acres per person according to the WT's own estimates! This equals a plot of land 238 feet x 238 feet. Consider that as space for a house, garden and small zoo!
WHAT A JOKE!
to randall watters, simon, and fellow jwd posters:.
i just wanted to say thanks for being here (and in randy's case, there at http://www.freeminds.org).. before discovering this site, i had been out of the jw org.
for nearly 20 years.
Dittos!
subtract one book from the bible and add one of your own.
what is the name of your book and what is it about?
which do you get rid of and which do you replace it with?
Sorry Nos, that Bible book has already been written:
The Song of Soloman
Open to me, O my sister, my girl companion, my dove, my blameless one! For my head is filled with dew, the locks of my hair with the drops of the night. SOS 5:2
