if y'all remember, i posted a couple of days ago that i'd had the 'talk' w/ my mom and it went really well.
well, at her request, i had the 'talk' w/ my dad.
mind you, he's been in the truth since the mid-50's, elder, pioneer, etc, etc.
TT - so glad to hear your dad is not totally braindead - like you ex. Jeez - sounds like my mom!
I imagine if you celebrate your daughters B-day, give her Xmas presents and don't make her go out in service - she will choose your lifestyle. My dad wasn't a JW but he made me keep going to meetings even when I begged him to not make me. I think he was afraid of my mom!
just for fun guys... .
if the watchtower made a most wanted list, much like the u.s.'s anti-terrorist list.
who would be the top three.
Awesome post Mary!!! That was pure art!!
Farkel - I am an aspiring Formidable Apostate. Please share with me some of your more succesful tactics for freeing JW's from the WTBTS. I don't really try because it seems so pointless. I'd love to get my mom out! Hey! you could start a business where people pay you to get their loved ones out!!! Hell, I'd pay good money to see it happen!
this is a paragraph out of an email my mother sent me.
this doesnt help.
why cant they see that its this talk that attributed me to needing therapy in the first place!
Hi cuddlepie
Wow! That sounds EXACTLY like something my mom would say. Its all part of the "script."
I don't know your situation or your story - but I really doubt if satan has you. That's a scare tactic - you don't have to buy into it. I read somewhere - don't know where - that satan enjoys a yearly laugh at the memorial service in which he gets millions of JW's to refuse to participate in the wine/bread ceremony. Its actually a satanic ritual! Hahaha
Anyway, I also have spent a lot of time in therapy and it has helped me a great deal. Please reach out for support from positive people who can accept you without giving you a guilt trip. You KNOW where your own heart is. I don't believe satan can take me against my will. The JW's aren't MY path to God - and I don't believe they are a path to God at all. It's a path to the Watchtower bible and Tract Society.
I have also found a lot of support on this board. Keep reading and be true to yourself.
Hugs
that's the latest from the assembly.
they don't want you quoting the watchtower as the source for decisions.
i wonder why.....
I wonder why they feel it necessary to even give such an instruction? I wonder why?
That's the real question!! Any speculation as to what led them to give these orders....I mean suggestions? ahem.
Why don't they stop using watchtowers then - and only use the bible. Since it is the same thing, afterall.
just got my mail order copy of crisis of conscience... got to chapter 2 in the first 20 mins!!!.
who else has read it, and what are your thoughts ???.
i've enjoyed it so far, and am glad to see how respectful ray franz was in his writing, with no 'outright attacks' on the wtbts.. bull!
I was DF'ed for 18 years - just read the book last month. It totally blew me away. When I left I never really gave the JW's a second thought...just glad to be out. But really also felt like I wouldn't REALLY know the "truth" about the Truth(tm) unless (A)Armageddon came or (B)I died...(oh yea...same as (A)--haha). Little did I know all I really had to do was type "jehovah witness" into the computer and read a book.
It was very disturbing to me to know for certain about the WTBTS and to know that so many people - including my mom - still fall for their BS 100% without question.
I highly recommend it. But I also think it could be very disturbing to people more involved or more affected by the JW's than I am. It's quite a betrayal. I can remember when I was in and heard about all the hoopla that happened at Bethel with Ray Franz. Admittedly, I accepted what was handed down about his apostacy - I was very young though. I don't know how older people have resisted reading his book.
I have also been wondering what I should read next...INSOCF or Steve Hassan's book. So looking forward to more suggestions also.
to all you animal lovers out there.. i awoke this morning to find that my dog had passed away during the night.. he was a golden retriever cross and the baby of the family.
he loved the kids and would lie down so my 2 year old could sit and lie on him.. he dug out of the back yard and got into my gardening stuff.
he ate half a box of snail bait.. i'm feeling really guilty, sould not have left it out.
I am so sorry for your loss. My dog recently unzipped my suitcase and ate a ton of chocolate covered raisins and coffee beans. He was sooo sick - I have no idea how he opened the suitcase!
I know its just like losing a family member and so many people just don't get it.
Hugs to you - Time will heal - hang in till then!
Al Gore....best ELECTED president!
this is a site on the internet in which the board members pose as young children, go into chat rooms, and try to lure possible pedophiles into conversation.
when a person is engaged in dialogue, the poser obtains the phone number, and tries to arrange a possible meet up.
the person is encouraged to send their photograph.
I didn't look at the website, but since it has to do with children - I would say more power to them. Do you assert that Pedophiles SHOULD have privacy to prey on children?
I just wish someone would go that far to stop the JW pedophiles!
i am a newbie to the site.
i was born an raised a jw.
shortly after marriage, my husband and i decided we no longer wanted to be part of the organization.
Welcom nb
I too am df'ed and my mom is still very in and very loyal to JW doctrine. I have not had any contact with her for 6-7 years now. Before that it was occasional contact - she used to drop me preachy, bible/WT thumping letters from time to time. Then my dad and both grandmothers died within 2 weeks of each other and my mom left for Equador to do missionary work and she didn't call or write for 2 years. That would have been only a little more acceptable had I not been in the midst of so much loss already - but for her to shun me 100% after going through that - THAT was when I realized her treatment of me was completely unacceptable to me and I will not tolerate another second of it. She wrote me 2 years later and apologized for not contacting me for the 2 years (and of course justified her actions with scripture) but it was too late.
The grief seems to come in waves. It was extremely painful for a long time and I drank a lot of alcohol and consumed a lot of drugs in order to cope with it. I definitely do not recommend this path! Then I got into therapy and began to recover. That's when things began to improve for me.
What re-opened this wound was reading Crisis of Conscience and realizing that my mom has allowed her family to be destroyed by this cult without even bothering to check some basic historical facts. That really pisses me off!!
That's my story. Like others have said I also have a "family of choice" now - I have love and true spirituality in my life. Ironically, I pray for my mom.
My best to you. Hang in there!!
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having flirted with meat off and on through my life, but mostly conforming to the vegetarian standard (due to the obscenity for the most part that is the meat industry) - i noticed when serving with the society, that i came under fire from the brothers.. my moral arguments about cutting down on meat consumption based around the factory farming methods were cast aside and often sneered at.. "well god gave us the right to eat meat" was the usual line i had to swallow down.. have any of you guys faced the same situation?
I don't know why they aren't required to be vegetarians since they obviously will be in the NS(tm). All of their depictions of the NS indicate that they will be (as well as all animals - including the lion laying next to the little girl with the bowl of fruit) but it is interesting that I never heard a JW comment on that. Do they know that what they suggest is preposterous in that it would totally destroy the whole food chain concept??
As far as the health issue: Before I got baptised (age 13) and was going through the questions, they told me that if I had any questions - that was the time to ask them. My question was, since a person can be DF'ed for smoking because its bad for your body why can't people also be DF'ed for being fat (bad for your body) or using saccharin (it had a warning label at the time saying that it caused cancer.) THey laughed at me and had no good answer for my questions. I guess I only got to ASK the questions. I should have backed out till they could give me a real answer.
