Still lots of disbelief here. It occurs to me that Prince is not allowed to speak to me because I'm bad association and might spoil his useful habits!
LOL!...i agree totally. Isn't life ironic?
Axelspeed
"you can live forever (and that's a mighty long time) in paradise on earth!".
is he baptized yet?
it would get him a lot closer to being an ex-jw and then maybe we could talk to him here!
Still lots of disbelief here. It occurs to me that Prince is not allowed to speak to me because I'm bad association and might spoil his useful habits!
LOL!...i agree totally. Isn't life ironic?
Axelspeed
although both are important parts of human existence, they are not mutually inclusive.
is it more important to you to feel "love" for others or to know you're "loved" by others?
i think the answer to that question sometimes dictates our actions as human beings..
Without feeling loved, I don't think you can love.
I think that there could be no better feeling than truly feeling loved for who you are. One thing does seem to feed the other. Based on my past experience and a realization of what it truly means, I am now beginning to wonder if I even have the capacity to love.
Axelspeed
natures way .
crimson tears drift earthward on a cold wind from the north.
boughs and branches shed them with their movements back and forth.
Mr. Moldmakerman
Preacherman say if I aint chasin his brand o' savior
I'd be pitched from the pearlies out on m' posterior
If I didn't show up in the walls five times a week
I'd have no taste r part of blessins fer the meek
He say the Good Book aint fer understandin by me
That be his work, t'aint fer me to disagree
That's right, that's what he say
Painterman say if I can't paint inside the lines
With 'Casso and that Michaelangelo I'll never dine
See he done been trained by the finest on that ther art
On this here subject I aint got nuthin to impart
Tells me art sho nuf aint bout heart and feeling
It be about makin mirrors even if t'aint soul healing
That's right, that's what he say
Politicianman say if I don't vote his gangs way
Country and my chillen's chillin sho nuf gonna pay
Says to trust him to luv'em just as much as me
Admits I thinks on it, "he do got that ther degree"
Tells me he knows pockets n ideals best fer me
Just send in this here proxy, n I can set ma mind free
That's right, that's what he say
Invites Mr. Moldmakerman in fer a sit down n tea
Whils I listen this here 'Chaikovsky, he pretty good ya see
Tells a joke guess meant be funny fer country folk like us
Hope no feelins hurt, tween you n me was kinda silly but aint no fuss
Woulda been more obligin' with a ring thats all
Sunday mornin's the time for me n the lady's own lord's call
That's right, that's what I's a thinkin
Moldmakerman scratch and shake the head says okay
Say I just too much work n tried s'plainin me away
Said I wudn't up to standard with good country folk sights
Called me aberrations and waht not n thats just not right
Says I was too much work n said his goodbyes
I thinks he was scared when he looked thru his eyes
Said he might be back, next time with entourage
Me thinks maybe fraid his reality was only a mirage
"Misplaced by all Mr. Moldmakerman's men"
That's right, that's what I think
Axelspeed
Copyright 2004
This poem is actually extracted from a much larger essay I wrote under a similar title.
host: richard rawe.
event_name: conference.
address: church of god, faith of abraham.
I see that Greg Stafford is one of the scheduled speakers...I admire his courage. I find the WTs non-action thus far interesting to say the least. It will be interesting as to how his whole situation plays out and when/if the WT decides to respond.
Axelspeed
i never could explain why god "allowed" solomon to have a number of wives and concubines yet he never even got a reprimand!
or why birthdays are forbidden but anniverseries aren't.....what about you?
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Great ones already, here are a couple of more...
Why Adam and Eve, with perfect bodies and perfect reproductive organs, did not in all the years in the garden produce one single child that would have also been perfect. Why was it only after they messed up did they begin to reproduce? Did they not get a clue from the animals? Or was this some cruel plan?
Why God could prophesy thru Jonah about Ninevah being destroyed...and then change his mind after they listened. Was it a prophecy or not? When exactly does God choose to use his ability to see the future to prophesy...and is this a form of predestination? And if the future can already be known if he chooses to do so, then what is this charade all about then? ...go ahead and do with me what u will..
Axelspeed
e-watchman has finally gone public with letter writing to the governing body and posting a new message on his site that shows he wants the gb to say they are sorry and clean up their act.
http://www.e-watchman.com/.
a sampling:.
I took a look at his site, and it is very interesting. I can see how the site would be a place for a jw just starting to open their eyes. I think he may represent a larger phenomenon, of jws accepting things piecemeal, even if only privately. While things may appear normal and the same, cracks are developing. It is quickly becoming a place for either the deluded/fanatical or those who need a social club. If you're in the middle it may feel a little cramped right now.
But in other ways I see it as a cult about past its active and robust stage, as a lot more are into self improvement (college, xtra activities) and not the same kind of blind sacrifice of years back. And now it finds itself struggling (kicking and screaming) and unwilling to fit into a different, less controlling role. Hoffer's True Believer explains it better. It will be interesting to see how the whole thing develops.
Axelspeed
i thought about this topic last night for the board when watching one of my favorite movies.. 1. the man from snowy river- the part when they are going after the expensive colt and they get to the edge of the cliff and all the other riders stop and "jim" keeps going and leaps down the cliff after the wild horses.
i absolutely love that part of the movie...everytime its on i have to watch it, if not just to see this part only.. 2. love and basketball- when she tells him she will play for his heart...awwww first time i started crying.
and then the music they had playing in the background made it even worse.
Too many good ones already here. But I'll add a few.
Bullitt: the car chase scene, though the one in Ronin is pretty good too.
My Life: the scene where Michael Keaton confronts his fam. and then the final part where he's about to die and finally gets his circus. I admit it...this movie gets the waterworks going every time.
Matrix (original): the fight scene and jump scene between Morpheous and Neo. The dialogue in those scenes is just as good.
Forrest Gump: I agree with Betty "the entire sequnce of him running from one end of the country to another. Just amazing." The part where he up and decides to go home was priceless. That scene pretty much summed up a big part of my exit...including the looks of "dumbfoundery" on the faces of many who thought they knew me...lol
Axelspeed
jehovah's witness across north america are being sternly counseled at this week's service meeting that they should pack lunches during the 2004 dictrict convention instead of leaving the site to eat elsewere or return with food.
in a letter read during the announcements, members are told this is a "serious problem".
reportedly jws have been banned from some convention locations because the venues want concession stand business if jws insist on bringing carry-out meals into the facility.
Ugh! I got sick just reading that. Can you say control? I honestly don't know what I was thinking all those years...I was truly braindead. There is no way in hell I could ever fit back into that box!
Axelspeed
for those who have been thru it (i hate the sound of the word), what is the most stressful aspect and what would you do differently?
and what did you not expect?
i would like to know as right now it has become a real possibility for me.
For those who have been thru it (I hate the sound of the word), what is the most stressful aspect and what would you do differently? And what did you not expect? I would like to know as right now it has become a real possibility for me. I come from a family background that is truly unfamiliar with it, and I would be breaking new ground as far as that is concerned.
Right now all I can think about is 1) being a failure at it, 2) the wasted years, and 3) fear of the unknown beyond it all. I wonder is it worth it to start over? But I also wonder if we can we both can afford mentally to keep living like this? Is this the point when others before me have called it quits? The person I am with is really a good person, but a real true believer in the truest sense and we are just really different people now with very different outlooks at this point in time. At this point neither of us are happy, just in a sort of no man's land. Partly because me married very young, but mostly because the JW thing makes it harder every day.
We live separate lives? she can not fathom not having me there ?taking the lead? (she?s tried with the hopes that I would come around), and I cannot stomach the thought of ever going back to that mindset. I tried visiting just to see if I could just go and hold my nose?I couldn?t wait to leave. I have nothing against any of the ?friends?, to me they really are victims of victims. I was never really treated badly by anyone and could go back tomorrow if that was the type of person I was or the type of double life I could lead? but there is no way I could squeeze into that box again even if I tried.
Any thoughts?
i believe they are "cultlike" but i don't think they are a "cult"........and you?
Yes.
Axelspeed