i've seen some threads here on the dcs this year but i don't remember reading about a resolution that may have been passed.
i saw this on another discussion board and have no idea if it's accurate or not.
it is posted that this occurred on sunday during the last talk.
not getting involved in chat rooms....Entertainment,
I would like to know the exact wording of the resolution, as I am sure that every line has been strategically worded. In particular, did they use the exact phrases chat rooms and entertainment? and how exactly were these words framed i.e. worldly chat rooms of just chat rooms in general?
It almost seems as if they are trying to renew their own version of a mission statement...sort of like a backhanded apology.
Axel
i met a married couple caught up in the recent bethel layoffs.
they are a fairly young couple in their mid to upper 30s, i didn't think to ask which department they worked in before being laid off.
the couple was driving cross country from new york to california, and stopping overnight at jw homes along the way.
Sounds a little disgruntled/shafted to me. I expect there will be more of the same in the future.
Axel
is the wtbts preparing the r and f for a large doctrinal change?.
the july 15th watchtower is dealing with murmuring?.
subheadings 'an evil assembly murmurs against jehovah'.
Bethel Elder topic
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/108811/1.ashx
Axel
i had a long discussion the other day with my new flatmate, who it turns out has studied with jws and thinks they're wonderful, about my view that being raised a jw is psychologically abusive.
being indoctrinated with the concept of jehovah killing people who don't do what he says and being scared of losing your friends and family if disobedient is, in my view, a very unhealthy thing for a child.
any thoughts?
dilaceratus ...there is little I could add as much of what you said says it all. Many of us lived a life so full of pretense on so many levels, some of it unconsciously, that dishonesty became natural. Even being dishonest with ourselves.
To believe that this playacting an interchangeable role is the best part of you is too sad to speak of.
Believing that its not necessary to playact, and breaking the cycle and inclination to playact through life is one of the biggest inward battles...even though we desperately want to live authentic lives.
Some who really tried to live the jw life, need a nudge to really believe that their authentic parts really are their best parts.
Axel
talk about a dysfunctional family life.... did anyone else experience growing up in a dub family that had a double standard for siblings?.
my younger sister was allowed too: have new kids on the block posters on her wall, as well as gotten taken to a nkotb concert... have & play a keyboard.
pick her own music, & have a boom box in her room.
I was also the firstborn...with everything that came with it. I was the example, the one with all the expectations, the one cursed with the burden of carrying the family flag. So I do understand and I definitely think there is something to the idea of birth-order. There are definitely double standards, but that's not necessarily just a jw thing.
Axel
i hope all of you genx-r exjw will get a kick out of this story from my childhood.
i was just talking to jt and he says i should post it..... my daughter is studying wwi history in school.
i told her that when i was in 10th grade, i had a social studies teacher named nancy galbraith.
Tree of Knowledge of Good and Bad. In COLLEGE.
LOL. I think we have a winner. Kudra, I cringe for you. But hey, you did get to go to college at least.
Axel - of the "many of us have been there class"
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for your viewing, uh, pleasure?
funny and sad actually. Its funny how weird it all looks to me now, even though I would have never gone to this extent even when I was in.
Axel
maybe this has already been posted or you're familiar with it but i just discovered this on itunes.
it's being sold on itunes.. the subject matter alone is enough to make you want to barf but get a load of the music and singing talent on this little gem.
a couple of the tracks landed in an imix of the worst music on itunes.
Listen to Go Ahead and Make Me Happy...guaranteed to inoculate you to anything jw related for at least a year.
it was like i had so many doors already cracked open, so to speak, but this book has thrown them right off the hinges.
i would recommend it to anyone.
it also helped me to understand james thomas' posts a lot better.
Just finished and it was a great read and eye opening. (Thanks Dave!). I am now reading Vol.lll of Masks of God - Occidental Mythology. A very interesting and enlightening Campbell read also (skipped the first 2 Vols. for a later time).
I guess I need to check out Hero of A Thousand Faces too. So much to read, so little time.
Axel
i'd say out of 10 elders, the average "sharp" ones are 2 or 3.
In my experience there is always a mixture:
Some were not so sharp, and others were very intelligent. So I dont think its so much a matter of intelligence in all cases. Even the mind of an intelligent person is capable of performing some amazing mental gymnastics in order to accomodate a desired worldview.
There are some elders who have so much invested in years, family and effort, that it would be mental suicide to allow themselves to allow that it all was a waste and a lie. They may be very intelligent, and can reason step-by-step in a line of reasoning, but as soon as there belief system is threatened from the outside or by their own thoughts the "dumb down" switch goes on. It almost a self-preservation mode. These are the ones who are the most frustrating to deal with, as it is confounding and inexplicable how intelligent people can follow a line of reasoning so well and then shift course in reasoning so abrubtly.
Others are in it for social and family reasons and fear of the outside unknown holds them in. They may be elders but are still using training wheels when dealing with anybody not a jw. These are the ones who were raised in and have grown up in the jw cocoon.
Others delude themselves into thinking they have real power. They probably are ineffectual at getting power in other areas (i.e at the job) and so use the org as an outlet to wield some untapped desire for power. And then there are others who are the ladder climbers. They like the power and enjoy the attention received from being front and center at assemblies, giving talks, and being of the prominent ones in the org and well as in their careers.
The true believer elders are among those who are more simple-minded and never really have a thought apart from what is given to them. The one issue they all have in common is dealing with reality... some choose not to ...others may not have the ability to. Some really do need the jw environment.
The elders who are not of the above, but willing to question and can reason, usually don't remain elders.
