Posts by back2dafront

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Help in "Preaching Apostaphry"

by patio34 in

the title was from a thread recently that said since jws have a ministry, do apostates have an apostrophy?.

well, today out of the blue, a previous workmate called me at work.

she stated that she had heard that i was no longer a jw.

back2dafront

Now, I'm a complete atheist for now and left because of figuring out that the dinosaurs being carnivorous was the (one of the) fatal flaws in the Bible, hence also the JWs.

Could you expound on this point? Not sure I understand how the Dinosaurs eating meat shows a flaw in the Bible...???
Thanks!
Jason

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My First Rock Concert....

by TheSurvivor in

now in my 40's i went to my first and most probably last rock concert last night.

i took the wife and kids (if you can still call them that with the youngest taller than me) to see the "motor city madman....ted nugent.

i guess that i am just not the rock and roll type.

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Hey Scarlet - Pearl Jam rocks - I'd luv to see them.

Yeah, concerts are a blast - I saw Farside last night, along w/ some other rappers I've never heard of. I've never been into the hip-hop/rap culture cuz of it's message, but these guys were good. Definitely dig the beats and flows, just don't like the message and culture so much.

Just don't have much respect for so-called "artists" that can only talk about pimpin' da ho's, smokin' weed and guns. And the fact that Eminem is getting so many awards is utterly dispicable. That guy is SO lame. I think he's going to learn the hard way that it's not always cool to speak your mind.

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My First Rock Concert....

by TheSurvivor in

now in my 40's i went to my first and most probably last rock concert last night.

i took the wife and kids (if you can still call them that with the youngest taller than me) to see the "motor city madman....ted nugent.

i guess that i am just not the rock and roll type.

back2dafront

don't get me started on rock concerts. I LOVE THEM! I started going when I was in Bethel - the first being Hootie and the Blowfish, then Everclear with Fuel and another band...then...hmmm...oh. VAN HALEN! That was a sweet show. Since then I've seen a ton of bands, my favorites being Dave Matthews, STP and Lenny Kravitz. I saw Metallica at the Giants stadium, again, while in Bethel. (I was such a rebel - skipped out early from work, caught a bus to NJ and saw METALLICA. hahaha) It's all about the music for me, though. Music is SO MUCH BETTER live.....

I'm more into the House/Techno scene now though. And I'm taking a jazz class at a local community college. It's nice being free from the mind control and not having to worry about my music collection stumbling someone. geez.....my parents were SO strict on music - i had to hide anything that had any sexual or "demonic" conotation (sp?) to it. My Led Zepplin albums were bringing demons into the house - true Jimmy Page did practice black magic, but I never felt in difference with the albums in or out of the house. oh well.

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How to get family to read COC?

by TTBoy in

i just wanted to take this opportunity to introduce myself.

i hope my formating is ok.. i was born jw in 1972 and baptised when i was 16. my parents, older brother, and younger sister are still jw; however .

my younger brother left around the same time i did.

back2dafront

Welcome TTBoy - I too am fairly new here and come from a pretty devout JDub fam. I tried to reason w/ my brother on some points and got absolutely nowhere (surprisingly) and so I'm not going to bother w/ my parents. It's just so hard sometimes because I want all of them to understand SO BADLY the real truth. I don't know what it will take for them to realize it though - they're wonderful people and it really sucks not being able to part of the unit anymore, but all I can do is pray that the blindfold will be removed one of these days. And enjoy the once-a-month conversations - I'm fortunate I'm not totally shunned.

later dude.

jay

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Hurled to the Earth - Why?!?

by Mister 8iggs in

basically, this is my take on it.

this isn't intended to start a flame war between believer's and non-believer's of god.. god creates angels.

god creates man.

back2dafront

Interesting thread.

Imagine, if Adam & Eve never sinned, the world would be a Paradasaic Brainwashed Nudist Camp. The minute they partook of the fruit, their eyes opened, and they realized they were naked and became ashamed and covered themselves.

I wonder if there is an antidote fruit - sure would be a hit at a party, that's for sure. (pictures bowl of fruit at the entrance, everybody takes some, clothes start peeling off....) hahahaha

Makes ya wonder about God - he intended for humans to walk around naked all their life. Makes sense though because infants and toddlers have no shame to be naked in front of people - we learn as we get older that it's socially unnacceptable to be naked in front of people. (for the most part)

i'm kind off subject here - sorry. :-P I found this really interesting though - had never quite re-considered this account since leaving...the way i heard it explained was that the issue was raised with all the other angels in heaven, so "Jehover" (hahaha - that cracks me UP) couldn't simply kill Satan because then all the other angels would have doubt...?? But again, yes a day to Him is a thousand for us, so...couldn't he have proved his point in a day? How many peoples lives do they need to witness before the point can be made? I mean, geez...this is ridiculous. Something definitely doesn't quite add up. I'm a man of reason and that just doesn't hold water in my book.

later,

jay

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Any comments on this book??

by back2dafront in

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/0932813747/reviews/104-5948469-4626333#09328137475000

if that link doesn't work for some reason, the title of the book is "the christ conspiracy: the greatest story ever sold" - ck it out on amazon.com.. anyone read this book?

are the claims that the story of jesus is derived from "earlier savior-gods krishna and horus" credible?

back2dafront

*reaches for his dictionary*

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Smoke gets In Your Eyes.

by Englishman in

jw
friends

i was just wondering, how many of us here took up smoking after we left the witnesses?

i have to admit that it was just about the very first thing that i did when i finally received that sumbeam of enlightenment that jw's were simply not anything special.

i drove out to a country pub, bought 2 panatellas and a half of red barrel, and spluttered my way through my first cigar n' pint.

back2dafront

I tried smoking but it's not for me. I hate how addictive it is - fortunately i never smoked enough to even come close to addiction. a few of my acquaintances smoke and it's kind of irritating because everywhere we go they HAVE to have a smoke, and lord don't let them run out because then we have stop whatever we're doing and drive 20 miles out of our way so they can get a cigarette. Friggin annoying as all get-out.

all you smokers, have you seen the movie "The Insiders?" 'tis a must-see flic. This world is a crazy place - they say weed is bad for ya and make it illegal, yet they purposely put huge amounts of nicotine in cigarettes to get people addicted. The whole cigarette industry is NOT about tobacco, it's about the addictive quality and quantities of nicotine so that people will continue to buy them. It's all about SUCKING THE MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKET.

I say most "vices" can be enjoyable in moderation, but don't let it run your life. Addictions suck. Just my motto though.

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could your son be gay???

by searchfothetruth in

jw
friends

how would you react if doctors come up with a test that could determine if your son would turn out to be gay when he grows up?

how would you react?

i personally, having two young sons myself, would not want to know.

back2dafront

Yeah, I think people turn gay as a lifestyle choice, I don't agree that people are born gay. Do you?

I used to feel the same way. When i moved to California, the first person I ever worked for here was gay. So I asked him if he feels he was born that way or is it merely a "preference." He said he's never liked girls. He said he was never really interested in sex or girls until the age of 14 and he found that all his friends were talking about girls and he just didn't view them in the same way. He started developing feelings for guys but he didn't dare say anything about it because he was afraid of the abuse he'd get from family and friends. So he kept it in for several years - in his senior year he went out with a girl just to prove to his friends he was straight, but didn't enjoy it one bit. It only lasted 1 week or so...friends started teasing him that he was gay, and he denied it, but he knew he was. He went through this inner-turmoil thing and finally when he went to college he "came out."

I asked him if he's turned on in any way by girls, and he said he acknowledges their beauty but is not sexually attracted to them at ALL. I couldn't believe it, it just went against everything I had ever known or experienced. But that was his story and he said it with such natural conviction that i couldn't help but believe him. I'd never been around gay people before and found it very strange and unnatural, but after meeting several more through the years, I've found his story to be quite common. A lot of them DO like the opposite sex as well but prefer the same sex. However others really don't like the opposite sex, and if they ever had a thing with the opposite sex, it was only in an attempt to fit in with the "in" crowd and not get picked on for being gay.

It's difficult to accept, but...I can't help but think that there's something genetically missing that gives them the tendency to be sexually attracted to the same sex.

For the life of me i can't figure out how this quote business works. Everytime I paste a quote I get stuck in the dern thing and can't get out of it, then when i finally do, it highlights my words in this manilla folder color. HELP!!!

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To spank or not to spank?

by Nowhere in

i had a conversation with an active witness from the usa lately.

and when talking about child upbringing he stated that some children need a spank sometimes.

of course i was upset because of that, and i didn't thought witnesses was that stupid.

back2dafront

Okay people, listen.

Anyone who thinks spanking is an act of violence obviously shouldn't spank their kids.

Spanking is not intended to be violent - it's intended to teach a lesson not to do it again. If done properly, it leaves no marks physically, emotionally or psychologically and the pain is temporary - very temporary. The lesson learned, however, is hopefully far more reaching. Yes, you can be sued for striking an individual, but honestly, and everyone knows it, most people use that as a monetary gain. If someone slaps you, the only thing that is really hurt is your pride and you know it.

Some kids never need a spanking. Some do.

A parent and only the parent is the ONLY one in a position to determine what method is best for their child. Whichever method they choose should NOT be abusive, whether that be physically or verbally. Discipline can be administered with love, whether that be verbally or physically, and that comes from one who has received and administered loving discipline from authoratative figures.

Kids that are spanked do not necessarily grow up to be violent. I was spanked, often times i felt it was borderline abuse, but nonetheless, i'm the least-violent adult ever now.

Comparing a spanking to slapping a co-worker or spouse who doesn't listen is totally absurd - there's NO COMPARISON. It's something directly associated with the upbringing of children. They aren't old enough to determine right from wrong, and so they need an authoritative figure to teach this to them, and spanking is a way to enforce it if necessary.

So a parent should use his or her intuition and discretion in determining what form of discipline is best for their child. Anyone who thinks they have the right to state that a parent is abusing their kid if they spank them (properly <on the buttocks> and unabusively) needs to be quiet, for they are not in a position to make such a statement.

-Jason

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Any Brooklyn Bethelites from '93 - '98?

by back2dafront in

i guess i should introduce myself for i am a new poster-boy :-) my name is jason howard and i currently reside in santa cruz, california.

i spent the first 24 years of my life as a jw, starting in danbury, ct, then to fayetteville & charlotte, nc, and finally brooklyn, bethel, where finally all of my negative inner thoughts and feelings were confirmed.

(from the ages of 14-24 i always felt something just didn't add up with the organization, but i could never quite put a finger on it) i spent my career at bethel in the brooklyn warehouse/purchasing departments and worked with some really great individuals.

back2dafront

LDH,

I knew Leo Lopez - i believe he was from Texas, correct? He had braces, no? Pretty sure he's the one I'm thinking of...really nice fella.

:-)

my nickname is based off of a Metallica song, btw.