Yawn. Both guys gullibly assume the divine inspiration and the integrity of the Bible. Once you make this assumption, you can argue four hours about stuff like: "Would you refer to a car battery as 'he'?". A futile exercise in dissecting the "real" meaning of meaningless metaphors.
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30Incredible conversation with JW from WT headquarters
by tagurit inhey has anyone seen this website that has a recording of a jw researcher from watchtower headquarters that calls this baptist pastor?
the baptist pastor records the conversation.
it's really good.
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Daniel's Prophecy, 605 BCE or 624 BCE?
by Little Bo Peep inhello all, i've been reading your site for a couple of years now, and have found, for the most part, it to be very helpful.
i must say, at first i was very "scared" at what i might find, but contrary to what i grew up learning, there is a "wealth" of information outside of the watchtower organization.
i haven't attended meetings for about two years now, and like many i've read about, have spent many hours researching, telling myself "i'm not wrong for searching", and doing more research.
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This thread is a clash of two different serenities.
Narkissos a la sérénité du sage.
Scholar in turn seems to have the serenity of a fool :-).
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Guns: Opinions?
by RichieRich inmy mom isnt a big fan of guns, but after being mugged once, she appreciates the value of a well placed firearm.
she doesn't mind that i hunt and go to the shooting range regularly with my father.
about 6 months ago, i was out in field service with my mother and an elder's 2 daughters.
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EscapedLifer1,
That it was actually captured by a British operation, but it looks better on the screen with Matthew MC. doing it as an American.
Oh yeah - one hell of an operation. :-) Here is a more balanced view:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/930873.stm
http://web.usna.navy.mil/~wdj/sm230_cooper_enigma.html
http://info-poland.buffalo.edu/web/history/WWII/enigma/link.shtml
http://www.enigmahistory.org/enigma.html
Have a good read. And remember every nation has its own (his)story.
Peace,
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Guns: Opinions?
by RichieRich inmy mom isnt a big fan of guns, but after being mugged once, she appreciates the value of a well placed firearm.
she doesn't mind that i hunt and go to the shooting range regularly with my father.
about 6 months ago, i was out in field service with my mother and an elder's 2 daughters.
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EF,
I mentioned these. Not every American is as dumb as you claim....just most....LOL (j/k)
I know. I would be dumb to think Americans are really more dumb than other nations. It's just that their national myths (for instance concerning their role in world history) take on preposterous proportions. Most superpowers have this problem, but in addition you have the best
propagandamovie industry which dims the perspective on history many Yankees have.As an example: ever heard of the German Enigma encryption machine? I wonder what the common belief about how it was captured is in America.
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Guns: Opinions?
by RichieRich inmy mom isnt a big fan of guns, but after being mugged once, she appreciates the value of a well placed firearm.
she doesn't mind that i hunt and go to the shooting range regularly with my father.
about 6 months ago, i was out in field service with my mother and an elder's 2 daughters.
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OldSoul,
First of all my apologies if you are a round bellied gun owner. I thought it was just an funny way of sexing up my point. By "round-bellied" I meant much worse equipped and not necessarily as disciplined and trained as the army.
Your two allowed conclusions are not ever going to occur.
Sure - it's not likely for such a government to be formed in the US in the forseeable future, but that is not my assumption. It's the assumption made by those using the argument that gun owners are better prepared for such circumstances. And that their guns will protect them from an oppressive argument.
Firstly, the government could not effectively take the form of totalitarianism without first removing arms from the citizenry.
Again: so what kind of oprressive government do gun advocates have in mind when they use this argument? Here is the key thing: you have just admitted that gun ownership is not a form of protection against an oppressive totalitarian government. That's what I meant too.
Secondly, the people I know who would fight the attempt to remove arms are not round-bellied.
See above.
Thirdly, protecting the Constitution of this country is a primary responsibility of our armed forces and is the reason many of them are in the military.
Fourthly, many in our military believe in the constitutional rights of citizens to bear arms.
Fifthly, many of them believe that so strongly they would also turn against their employers.
So, you are admitting again that the argument I've criticized in my first post makes little sense ideed in the context of your country? You have just shown that the strength of the US democracy does not lie in the right of common citizens to own guns. That was my impression too. Rather it has to do with the fact that nobody is (or not enough people are) interested in setting up such a government in the US anyway.
Given the current circumnstances, claiming that guns can be used for protection against an oppressive totalitarian government is like claiming you keep a gun to fight off an alien invasion. This argument is just an excuse, and you have confirmed that OldSoul by showing that having guns to fight a possibly oppressive american government has nothing to do with the socio-political reality of the USA.
The only thing I could add is that it would be futile to oppose tanks, fighters and a regular army with hand guns and rifles as well. here is where we may disagree, but my original crtiticism remains valid.
(oops that may give us a round-belly )
Cheers,
Pole
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"God's mouthpeice"
by Bryan ini don't have the wt cd.
i was wondering if someone could give me the latest (or any) quote from the writing department about the wb&ts being the "mouthpeice of god".
bryan.
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Bear in mind that our heavenly Father has an appointed channel of communication,
Yes, bear that in mind kiddies.
LOL at IP_SEC.
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Guns: Opinions?
by RichieRich inmy mom isnt a big fan of guns, but after being mugged once, she appreciates the value of a well placed firearm.
she doesn't mind that i hunt and go to the shooting range regularly with my father.
about 6 months ago, i was out in field service with my mother and an elder's 2 daughters.
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fleaman,
I agree on both accounts. There had been attempts in Hungary and Czechoslovakia before the 1970s, but a steady and consistent pressure on the communists first began to be exerted with the Polish Solidarity with some 9 million members and many more supporters. Of course other Eastern-European countries had their own opposition movements. The peaceful character of Solidarity with its long-time devoted members (rather than one-off trigger-happy revolutionists) saved thousands of lives.
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Week of May 30, 2005 Service Meeting
by TheListener insong 190.
10 min: local announcements.
remind publishers to turn in field service reports for may.
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Arrange in advance for one or two to comment on the effort they put forth to increase their share in the ministry during the Memorial season and the blessings they enjoyed as a result.
How profoudly boring these meetings were. Everything seemed to be pre-arranged and so predictably artificial.
I made mini print-outs of entire books and put them in the bible to read them during meetings. Also I would spend 15-20 minutes in the bathroom or walking around the hall to ease the pain of attending the meetinings.
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The world will end in 1879-1914-1918-1925-1942-1975- I guess they gave up
by JohnHag inforget about all those dates friends--the world ended in 1914--thats what rusell said--he was the first slick slave class--so he must know--did i miss some dates?
there are so many i probably missed a few--i was in this nonsense for 32 years and i half way believed it--but i never believed it 100 percent--thank god for ray franz---that guy was all class--i am at a point now that i dont know what to believe--but i know one thing--:"never again will i fear men----never again will i be a respector of men---i have seen all this little so called power grab called privleges--that is just a ticket for a man to walk around like a rooster---you all know how a rooster walks around the yard--when i used to get there on thursday night all 8 elders would be walking around shuffling paper like they do at the pentagon or the cia---a congreation of about 70 and all this paper work--or was it all a showy display?it was a peivlege to clean the toilets--can you imagine that?
i used to go to clean the hall and it didnt even need cleaning--but one had to act like he was doing something--i used to hate getting dressed up for those 5 meetings--i now wear anything i want--i let my hair grow anyway i want--if i want a beard i grow it--no more fear of those big elders--those elders loved judical comittes--it meant they could now be like a lawyer and a judge--power- power--thats what its all about--thanks for letting me share--the hag
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Hi JohnHag,
If i want a beard i grow it
LOL. This was one of my first manifestations of freedom too. :-). Isn't being a JW just plain silly. You can't grow a beard because this might stumble others. LOL.
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How To Enjoy Assemblies By Being Rebellious
by metatron in1. go out to lunch at every session.
bring back bags of fast food that say "burger king".
or "mcdonalds" on them.
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Pretend to vomit on the back of the person sitting in front of you. Then appologize and see christian love in action.
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