James Thomas: Ever get the feeling you're only talking to yourself?
Only when I'm praying:)
Posts by Terry
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44Looking for Truth with a capital "T"?
by Terry instop begging for crumbs like a pigeon in the park!.
nobody anywhere has truth tied up with a red ribbon to hand to you so you.
can go skipping down the road with a smile!.
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THE IMPONDERABLES TOPIC (Enter at your own risk)
by Terry ini suggest taking this slowly .
.. consider the difference between taking a poll about an upcoming election and the actual vote itself on the day of the election.. the information gathered about what the vote will be is provisional.
the vote on the day of the election is actual and official.. it is the one that counts.. now, carefully ask yourself what the specific difference--if any--there is between the poll information and the election result as an identical knowledge of.
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The Earth is flat! (Old Light)
2+2= fish New Light!
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Origin of Black Skin - JW.org Noah Movie
by Bloody Hotdogs! ini've never seen this discussed here, so thought i'd bring it up:.
as far as i can figure, jehovah's witnesses no longer teach that black skin is the result of a curse from god.
instead, they seem to teach that canaan was already dark skinned when his father, ham, brought the curse of servitude upon their family.
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Simon: Me no comprende. There must be an origin, it's just that we may not know what it is definitively right?
My context was meant to be (I confess I failed to be clear) religious, as in God did this or man did that.
Thanks for the head's up, Si!
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CONFESS or COVERUP
by Terry inthe disconnect from the family of humanity......the snap of that fellow feeling......the cold indifferent shrug as each person dries up and hardens into a mere thing in a kingdom hall.....is a withering away of all that is noble, pure and innocent.. and when that icy moment sets in the rest of the world vanishes into an invisible nothing in the heart of that strutting and proud lump of human flesh called jehovah's witness.. it is the first of many deaths they will endure.... where does it begin and where does it end?.
perhaps by defending huge lies?.
if you are complicit in a crime against humanity you have two basic ethical choices:.
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I always ask now. . . "Okay--let's say they did NOT say it was the actual end. Fine. WHAT WAS IT?"
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Looking for Truth with a capital "T"?
by Terry instop begging for crumbs like a pigeon in the park!.
nobody anywhere has truth tied up with a red ribbon to hand to you so you.
can go skipping down the road with a smile!.
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Terry
THIS IS YOUR LIFE.
When will you own it?
Stop begging for crumbs like a pigeon in the park!
Nobody anywhere has TRUTH tied up with a red ribbon to hand to you so you
can go skipping down the road with a smile!
Get over that idea--it is a tragic lie.
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WHO HAS THE TRUTH?
That is the wrong question!
You are asking to be swindled, mind raped and abused.
Is that what you want?
Of course not.
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What is the point in YOU being alive if you are just going to join a group and be like everybody else?
An ant in somebody's anthill--is that your dream?
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People make shit up and sell it as TRUTH.
People who are dumber buy it and make it their world.
We are born thinking we must swallow other people's truth.
That is a lie.
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iNFORMATION falls into two large categories, generally.
1. Things which sound like they work because they are exactly how we want them to be
2. Things which DO work, but they don't appeal to us for one reason or another
Guess which of the above MOST people choose?
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If you give a stupid and hungry man a fish--he will be fed for a day.
If teach that same man how to fish for a living--he can feed himself and others for the rest of his life.
THAT IS PRACTICAL KNOWLEDGE
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Until you are 40 years old FORGET religious ideas! You don't need them because religious ideas are imagination
and you live in a REAL world. You may as well watch cartoons and masturbate as far as being productive with that kind of life.
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Hard to hear but true. . .
People with religious thoughts are sick in the head. Sometimes that sickness makes them smile when they should be crying.
You can call it 'happiness' but it isn't.
Whatever a sick person may touch has that sickness on it. Touch religion and you'll get sick too--count on it!
Religion creates invisible persons you'll have to beg every day of your life.
Religion creates invisible persons you'll have to fear every night of your life.
Religion will teach you who to hate: everybody who doesn't think like you. This is the insanity our world is filled to the brim with.
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You want to be "good"?
Help somebody build something. Visit a hospital or take a meal to an old person or a shut-in.
Spend time talking to lonely people. Don't give them ANSWERS to life--just listen and nod.
Plant a tree in a desolate landscape. Feed a stray animal.
Don't pray for anybody because that is the most dishonest, phony help there is.
I always tell people, "Don't pray for me--dance the Hokey Pokey, instead. It is just about as useful but more entertaining."
In other words--stop trying to pretend you make a difference just because you recite some empty words to invisible people.
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A good life is a practical life.
Learn something which is true and you'll be better for it because you can build, mend, invent, craft and shape a better life with it.
Waste time memorizing invisible truth and your mind is like a rat's nest.
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I have met very few deeply religious people who weren't PIG IGNORANT about the real world!
You know why? The real world stops mattering to them. A fake world is much nicer to learn about!
If you hang out exclusively with pig ignorant people jibber-jabbering about a fake world--YOU WILL BE IGNORANT and FAKE, too.
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Get outside of your own head!
Discard those ideas planted inside your mind that TRUTH is welfare from heaven.
There is no heaven except in the arms of the person you'll love.
There is a hell, however. Hell is real. It is the life of a true believer who trades every beautiful accomplishment
in life by wasting their time on make-believe with a stupid smile on their ignorant face.
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Travel. Meet new people. Look around at the ENTIRE picture and not one tiny spot.
People the world over are BASICALLY NICE. People are kind and happy and generous and beautiful--but you won't ever
hear that if you talk to RELIGIOUS NUTS! They are trained to see only evil--and it makes the good vanish from their world.
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Build your own world.
People it with sanity.
Water it and nurture it and watch it grow.
At the end of life, you'll look back on friends, family, people who admire you for all the help you've been.
THAT is your heavenly reward.
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But whatever you do--don't go around empty-handed like a street beggar pleading for TRUTH.
True things must be dug up with a strong shovel, a strong back and much sweat on your forehead.
True things must be discovered, sorted, puzzled out and tested over and over and over.
ONLY HONEST PEOPLE know what few true things are known.
You know why?--they worked very hard to explore, test, refine, and demonstrate those small truths.
Like what?
A kind word spoken to a down-hearted person will brighten their life.
It is impossible to be too generous to and old person.
Everybody is better than you.
Listening is the most difficult talent in life.
See? So simple. So beautiful. So true.
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Throw your Bible, Koran, Pearl of Great Price, Astrology primer and voodoo mask in the dumpster, my friend.
Civilization tried all that much and didn't get very far in the process. Don't join the jolly liars or the know-it-alls.
Keep company with the simple folks with big curiosity and bigger hearts and you'll do just fine.
STOP LOOKING for COSMIC ANSWERS.
Choose your life using your own brain and the result will be exactly what you have the strength and courage to build.
I wish only the best for you, my friend!
p.s. Nobody ever recognizes good advice when they get it for free.
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Couple questions....like if JW's not the right way then what is?
by world innew member here so don't attack :d here is a couple questions i have been contemplating lately.. .
if jw isn't the right religion, then which one is?
or is it basically believe in god, the bible and you'll be fine?.
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Nobody anywhere has TRUTH tied up with a red ribbon to hand to you so you
can go skipping down the road with a smile!
Get over that idea--it is a tragic lie.
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Get out of your head!
Discard those ideas planted inside your mind that TRUTH is welfare from heaven.
There is no heaven except in the arms of the person you'll love.
There is a hell, however. Hell is real. It is the life of a true believer who trades every beautiful accomplishment
in life by wasting their time on make-believe with a stupid smile on their ignorant face.
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Travel. Meet new people. Look around at the ENTIRE picture and not one tiny spot.
People the world over are BASICALLY NICE. People are kind and happy and generous and beautiful--but you won't ever
hear that if you talk to RELIGIOUS NUTS!
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Build your own world.
People it with sanity.
Water it and nurture it and watch it grow.
At the end of life, you'll look back on friends, family, people who admire you for all the help you've been.
THAT is your heavenly reward.
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But whatever you do--don't go around empty-handed like a street beggar pleading for TRUTH.
True things must be dug up with a strong shovel, a strong back and much sweat on your forehead.
True things must be discovered, sorted, puzzled out and tested over and over and over.
ONLY HONEST PEOPLE know what few true things are known.
You know why?--they worked very hard to explore, test, refine, and demonstrate those small truths.
Like what?
A kind word spoken to a down-hearted person will brighten their life.
It is impossible to be too generous to an old person or a sick one.
Everybody is better than you.
Listening is the most difficult talent in life.
See? So simple. So beautiful. So true.
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Don't join the jolly liars or the know-it-alls.
Keep company with the simple folks with big curiosity and bigger hearts and you'll do just fine.
STOP LOOKING for COSMIC ANSWERS.
Choose your life using your own brain and the result will be exactly what you have the strength and courage to build.
I wish only the best for you, my friend!
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If I Were Still A JW I Would Think We Had To Be Living At The Time Of The End!
by minimus inwith all the terrible things happening on this earth, i bet most witnesses feel that jehovah god has to step in..
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Christians are problematic for me. They are like puppies on the one hand but like special needs, brain-injured chimps
on the other hand. Clueless people are not endearing for long--especially when sanctimony enters the picture.
Purposely ignorant folk who want to be high and mighty really start to get under my skin--after all, I WAS ONE.
Intellectual honesty is the willingness to be wrong when facts and evidence go against your most treasured belief.
How many Christians are willing?
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Why JW marriage is a huge problem for the organization.
by kneehighmiah inthe difficulty of finding a marriage mate is well known for sisters.
but i would say it's hard for brothers also.
i was talking to a jw last night.
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A Wonderful alternative to the usual anti-JW snark
by Terry inwow, i just discovered this.. out of the sea of ex-jw videos on youtube this wonderful vid came to my notice.. she uses humor, parody, and actual wt quotations to make her points far better.
than most of these anti-watchtower diatribes, imho.. check her out:.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtfelnrjytk.
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Thanks.
We live in remarkable times.
When I was an active JW all those many decades ago I think I would have listened to such as this
if they had existed.
Nothing existed as a counterbalance exposing JW's except the occasional poorly written screed.
We live in a time where there is little excuse but fear to prevent a JW from peeling back the edges.
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Why do ultra rich jehovahs witnesses get a free pass when it comes to being materialistic?
by hoser ini know a couple of jws in my town that are both very wealthy.
one has upscale retail stores and owns a property development company.
the other has a large service company and owns a lot of real estate.
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If I stand on one side of a large aquarium and gaze through it to your side of the aquarium at you,
you can do the same looking at me.
Neither of us imagines for a fleeting second the other person is actually immersed in water tickled by swimming fish!
But--Jehovah's Witnesses have a way of looking at the world THROUGH a kind of aquarium-ideology, imagining
water and fish ARE a part of the world.
Whatever that mechanism is which REMOVES the aquarium barrier and prevents their mind from INCLUDING IT, is absent for them
CONTROLLED CONTEXT
Through a series of stages of learning, Newbies go through layers of indoctrination.
1. Forced perspective comes in early stages of "studying the Bible" using WT literature. The questions at the bottom of the page CONTROL context
for curiosity.
2. Fewer and fewer opportunities for contact with non-JW's constricts the flow of outside information. Context tightens.
3. Fellowship with JW's restricts agreement/disagreement which reinforces a singular perspective. A World View is instilled.
4. Loyalty to GB POV becomes the only path to total acceptance, promotion and opportunity.
5. Occasional DF-ing of the flock increases anxiety about non-conformity. Shunning signals the price of individuality.
6. Cognitive dissonance allows a small compartment (double life) for holding on to sanity.
7. Only by refusing to acknowledge the discrepancy can the JW hold on to their sense of safety in a cruel and evil world.
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What does all that have to do with WEALTH?
When I was a JW and first started associating around the Kingdom Hall, I noticed the difference in treatment of wealthy witnesses.
When I asked about it I discovered a weird perspective. Having a rich person in the KH gave the rank and file a sense of inclusion
rather than exclusion. How so?
They saw it as embracing diversity! A kind of lion and lamb scenario.
The New World Society was equal opportunity for inclusion of races, backgrounds, economic status and sexes.
Ha ha ha. I thought this was silly. Except, the longer I was around it, the more it normalized. I conformed by dint
of constant exposure.
Celebrity JW's, such as Mickey Spillane, could write books about sex and violence and remain in good standing! How?
They showed that Jehovah's people weren't oddball Puritans--they were REAL people!
The polarity used by a JW in filtering out discrepant facts was and is ASTOUNDING.
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Every thought and behavior is being controlled.
The GB seeks to be the puppetmasters and they are succeeding.
Prince, Michael Jackson, and all the other JW celebs are seen through the aquarium and the water and the fish are part of the
special status world. Don't doubt it.