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  Would YOU Have Died For The Witness Religion?

  by minimus in

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  would you have not taken a blood transfusion or a transplant because the gb said it was bad?.

  would you have imitated the jws in concentration camps and died for your beliefs?.

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  yes. of course.

  I grew up believing that one day I would be tortured, raped, imprisoned for my faith.
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  The Greatest Show On Earth - A Book Summary In Many Parts

  by cofty in

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  it was a number of years after i left the watchtower that i finally admitted to myself that i had never really investigated evolution.. i thought i was already an expert on the subject despite everything i knew about it coming form a source that was attacking the theory.

  when i began to reserch evolution objectively i was astonished by the breadth an depth of the evidence.

  i have been reading books and articles on the subject for around ten years now and always find it to be fascinating and inspiring.. a couple of years ago i began to write a summary of dawkin's book on the jws forum with the intention of helping any lurking jws who could not dare be seen reading the book for themselves.

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  cofty, I'm enjoying your summaries as well. It's been a while since I reviewed the dating techniques. I recall the first time I actually comprehended how it worked and how amazed I was that anyone could have ever denied that radiometric dating actually works.

  I don't get enough time for reading anymore. This thread makes me miss being in university.
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  atrapado's story parte dos

  by atrapado in

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  2. experiences

  we met after the meeting which i found strange i figured if i was to be named it would be before the meeting.

  they read me the letter from the wt.

  it basically said that they were happy about my recommendation but they couldnt accept the recommendation of a 16 year old that i should wait until i was at least 17. of course i was not 16. the problem is that in spanish you write the day first the month after.

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  I was looking forward to reading parte dos, atrapado, and you did not disappoint! I really enjoyed it, thank you. What a journey!

  You brought back a lot of memories for me, things I went through at age 17, 18 when I was pioneering and the way the elders treated me. I also remember the "we're too busy" excuse they used when they let my DFing drag on and on and ignored my requests for reinstatement.

  I think this comment "He told me look if you want to learn about the Bible you better do it while you don’t have responsibilities because once you have them you will not have time to dig deep " goes a long way towards explaining why so many JWs remain blind. They simply don't have time for critical thinking or research.

  I'm glad for you that you chose education. Sounds like your life path is taking you exactly where you want to go.
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  Shunning - I just can't get my head around it

  by jambon1 in

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  let me first state that i have never been shunned.

  i faded from the org very quickly & my life hasn't been blighted by this practice.. i have been out of the organisation for over 6 years.

  most of the things i left the religion for, i have came to terms with.

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  "quake at the very sight of my aunt....i was so scared of those people and for what".

  I think Tiki's point really highlights the difference between a family disagreement that might lead family members to stop talking, and shunning as practiced by JWs. I know I was taught to view DF'd persons as the lowest form of scum to be avoided at all costs. "hate the unclean thing" is the terminology that comes to mind.

  Yet when it happened to me I realized that being DF did not mean you were somehow evil or bad and deserving of the kind of treatment the organization metes out. I don't even think it fits the bar troublemaker analogy either, because most who are DF'd make no attempts to "lead" others into their sin, nor are they actively creating any kind of trouble in the congregation.

  It truly is a cruel, unnatural, and hateful practice.
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  Do y'all celebrate Christmas in the same way every year?

  by panhandlegirl in

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  like me, most of you never celebrated christmas when you were growing up or when you were raising your children.

  because of this, i don't place a great importance on celebrating christmas.

  i do love the holidays because everyone seems so happy and i like the hustle and bustle of it all.

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  satanus, berengaria - I love those hypnotizing colored lights, per guess who, not kravitz.

  But now that you mention it - I think I should go back to putting up lights again this year. They are not only beautiful, but I found something so soothing about all the beautiful xmas lights around my house. I plug in my xmas tree at night and just enjoy the peace those multicolored lights bring to my home.

  I've also tried to start a tradition of taking the grandkids around the city to see all the beautiful lights. What could possibly be wrong with a celebration that makes your city look so incredibly lovely and filled with color all night long?
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  Who Run's JWFacts?

  by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

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  thank's for the new word "eisegesis", while reading your article on jesus christ's mediatorship between mankind and the annointed (now governing body) 144,000.. you content is very good as you present your case with valuable insights without attacking witnesses as "morons, idiots, cult" or like some other agencies do!

  cheerio!.

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  aaah. how I wish I could come to australia one day. And meet JWFacts in person. He's the bomb.
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  I grew up not fearing old age

  by Sour Grapes in

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  as a teenage jw, i grew up believing that i was not going to finish high school nor would i get old and have to die like my grandparents did.

  well, i did finish high school, as did my children and my grandchildren and old age has not been kind to me.

  i don't like to look at pictures from 40 years ago, from a time when i was healthy and i had the goal of "stay alive till 75.

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  My mother believed I would not make it to grade school. Then I believed I would not live to have children. Now my life is more than half over. I lost a big chunk of it, but I"m working hard to ensure I can enjoy what is left of my "old age"
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  How Many Friends Did You Lose Over This Election?

  by JustMeNonJDub in

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  2. friends

  i lost one, and i am saddened by it.

  i may disagree with friends over politics and/or religion, but the only reason i would cut off a friend is if they betrayed me.

  anyone else lost friends or cut off friends because of politics or religion?.

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  A truly rich friendship should allow for differences of opinion whether it is religion or politics. If we are only friends with those who agree with us, we never progress.
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  Do y'all celebrate Christmas in the same way every year?

  by panhandlegirl in

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  2. current

  like me, most of you never celebrated christmas when you were growing up or when you were raising your children.

  because of this, i don't place a great importance on celebrating christmas.

  i do love the holidays because everyone seems so happy and i like the hustle and bustle of it all.

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  Satanus - your Canadian is showing!!! American Woman, indeed.
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  Do y'all celebrate Christmas in the same way every year?

  by panhandlegirl in

  1. social
  2. current

  like me, most of you never celebrated christmas when you were growing up or when you were raising your children.

  because of this, i don't place a great importance on celebrating christmas.

  i do love the holidays because everyone seems so happy and i like the hustle and bustle of it all.

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  mamochan13

  I've struggled with trying to develop a family tradition. But it's hard to come into this as an adult with absolutely no familly history to build on. I did have xmas at my paternal grandmothers, which is where I learned to sing carols and make pumpkin pie. But that was it. My maternal grandmother hated the JW religion for taking xmas away from her. She used to buy gifts for herself and tell her friends they came from her children.

  The first year we had a big celebration on xmas eve, with all my daughters friends coming by three days in a row for leftovers. I made paella (which is always our xmas dinner tradition), tabouli, nachinka, hummous, perogies, pumpkin pie - we had a real ethnic mix. My youngest and I decorated the house to the hilt and had a blast shopping for gifts. We sang xmas carols and went on a crazy gift frenzy.

  OVer the next few years we toned things down on the gift part. By the time the grandkids came along, we started to limit the gifts to kids only. We've had a few xmas's where one family member acts out (not always the same one).

  So far we haven't settled on any particular way to do it. I still make paella and we eat very late. We always do it on xmas eve and we open our gifts throughout the evening. So I guess those are our main family traditions. Last year my grandson's father was an asshole and wouldn't let the boys come on xmas eve (the custody agreement alternates the holiday but he doesn't celebrate, he just wanted to ruin things for us.)

  I used to love the decorating part, but over the last few years I'd be just as happy to not bother with a tree. I do it for the grandkids but usually we set it up only a day or two before - they love helping decorate it. I've been trying to establish a tradition of taking them shopping for gifts and encouraging them to buy for others.