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if one of your witiness relatives was incapacitated and the decision to give this relative blood or another lfe saving treatment, that is condemned by the society was thrust solely in your hands, would you give your consent although you know that this decision would be against their personal and religious beliefs?
Please read up on AJWRB.ORG about blood issues that JW's face.
If it left in your hands, give them blood. It could possibly save their life and no blame will be put on them for it through the congregation. I say absolutely yes to give JW's blood if they have not already gotten their documentation together to prevent it.
I work with AJWRB.org to assist JW and their families with blood issues.
balsam
hey out there, back in the days when my wife and i was trying to have kids, we were worried and it took 1 1/2 years to conceive.. .
this latest wt or awake, (since right now i'm pissed): does nothing but bring out negative sides to every issue of fertility (or adoption) possibilities!.
i'm mad as heck!
The WTS seems to think they have far more expertise in just about everything. 99% of the nonsense they spout is just silly and ignorant. They still don't want their followers to have children. They want the rank and file to just dedicate themselves to preaching and placing literature. I know back in the late 70's none of the young couples listened to them. There was babies being born right and left after 1975. I am sorry for your not getting pregnant, is a terrible pain I am sure. I've never experienced that but did have children in my 30's after some 10 years of thinking my ex-husband and I couldn't have kids. Then we had 3 of them after he stopped the hot baths. That was in the 80's.
I remember back in the 70's there were articles by the WTS about infertility, of course discouraging artifical semination with donor sperm. Secular law and secular thought is so much more kind and considerate of people's needs than religion has ever been. Good for you standing up to you JW parent when they wanted you to read their baloney. The literature of JW hold little value in every day life.
Good Luck in all your heart desires,
Balsam
rutherford ruled the watchtower organization from 1916 to 1942, traveled extensively, had several residences, most notably, beth sarim.
but absent always was his wife, mary, not to mention his son, malcolm as well.. ok, rutherford was so well known, why did no one inquire about his son and wife?.
when rutherford resided at beth sarim in san diego, why was his wife not there with him?
I have varing stories about her and Rutherford's son. I heard that she didn't live with him after he became president of the WTB&TS perhaps sooner. Heard she died a faithful JW. Don't know the son's name but he wanted nothing to do with the WTS or his Father from something I read or was told. That he became a homeless person riding the train rails I think. How much of this is true. It was throught that Rutherford never spoke of his wife or saw her. Why I don't know. I bet the WTS supported her till her death though. But this is all speculation based on what I have heard or read.
Wouldn't it be great if someone could give us the scoop on all of them.
Ruth
johnny and i go back all the way to childhood.
we met in elementary school all those years ago.
he was a chubby, one-eyed kid with freckles and a coat that didn't fit him and i was a tall and vanishingly thin introvert who wore dress pants instead of blue jeans.
Terry,
I realize that my oldest son felt as your friend Johnny's kids do about he and his wife. We were good parents from our standpoint even righteous, never abused them and was unfailingly understanding of the difficulties of being a JW kid. The trouble was my son didn't appreciate living by the bible and was becoming self persecuting. When I left the JW's it turned him around, and he even tells me now I saved his life. He was constantly viewing himself as failing Jehovah because he was fighting the impulses to be a normal kid. I left his Dad and the religion a month before he turned 18. From then on he realized it was ok just to have normal feelings. No more God hanging on his shoulder condemning him. We had long talks about the bible and religions affects on people. He is doing fine now thank goodness, and my youngest son at 16 is finding his way. Self-abuse has stopped and they have bright future. The realize now how fragile and pathetic their parents can be. LOL
We don't realize the pressure we put on kids when we try to be too righteous setting the perfect example. It raises impossible standards for their lives and I. Johnny's kids were not worthless, but Johnny and his wife had caused their kids to feel worthless because they had surpressed their love of life so perfectly. Making the world the kids grew up in as something bad and undesireable even sinful.
JW parents and other religious people do the same thing to their children. Funny thing is they imagine they are right and their poor kids are the worthless ones.
I remember a couple of years ago I used the F-word in front of my boys, they loved it and roared with laughter and delight. I was so shocked by my slip of the tongue I couldn't believe I'd said that. But their response was so surprising. They were so thrilled. They said Mom is human all the way now. LOL Well I chose not to use that word out loud, but they still remind me of it, and I have to laugh.
I found it interesting reading the Noahide laws, very interesting.
Ruth
an elder that lives in the same area as my work came by and noticed i was waiting on customers.
he left and waited for them to leave.
then he came back in.
OMG,
I can remember calling folks or visiting those who had stopped going to meetings. Usually it was after we got admonition to help the weak or inactive ones. I know got some harsh responses, most did not want anyone bothering them. I have to say I was sincere thinking that a little encouragement would bring them back to the KH.
Lordy Lordy, now I understand completey why JW who have become inactive don't want visits, they just want to be left alone and fade out. LOL Wished I'd known that before. But when your on the other side of the fence you just don't even consider there could be a reason for people to want to escape. I know I didn't. I though people just got overwhelmed with life, and wanted to be helped to return to the sheep fold. LOL LOL Isn't that so ignorant and blind of me to have felt that way. Oh goodness I am so glad to be disfellowshipped and so glad no one visits me or wants me to come back.
Ruth
i had a disagreement with xq in chat today, because he was trying to say that jws for the most part disobey the wts and still treat family like family even if they are dfd or quit being witnesses.. i don't feel that is true.
i think that the majority of us on here who no longer are jws have family members who no longer have anything to do with us and shun us.... so i said it would be interesting to take a poll and see how many here are treated just like all the rest of your 'loving family' who is a jw still.......are you treated the same?.
does family shun you for being df'd, da'd or no longer participating?or do they hide and talk to you but only when other active jws can't see?
I have only one nephew in my immediate family who is an active JW and his family. He shuns me. I do write him letters twice a year to keep him appraised of what is going on. He and I were very close like sister and brother growing up as non-witnesses kids. I became a JW then got him into it and he thus married into the JW and is raising a son in it. But before I was disf'ed I asked him if he wanted me to stay in contact, he said yes but that he would not write me, but he did want to hear from me. Also he agreed to let me know if anything happens in his family I need to know about. His Mother (my sister) is dead now.
My oldest son is disfellowshipped, and is shunned by his Dad's Sister who is a JW. His active JW Dad is not entirey shunning him, will talk to him but would not eat with him. But he does not stop my youngest son who is baptized and inactive from associating with his brother. So I would say that is a yes and no.
I know of JW families though that adamantly following the shunning rule in their families when one is them is disfellowshipped. And God forbid if they disassociate themselves.
XQ don't know what they are talking about.
JW practice shunning to a very extreme degree.
Balsam
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ok...if 2 dubs divorce just because they hate each other, they are not free to remarry.. if one of them does remarry, he or she will be df'ed.
lets say that this person gets married with another dub....what happens to that person?
I knew of a situation like this. The man who was divorced by his JW wife because she could not stand him. He remained active in the JW's, she did not. But for years the did nothing. Then one day this brother went off and married another JW woman, though he was not spiritually free to do so. He and her were publically reproved but neither were disfellowshipped. They repented for breaking the WTS law, and basically got a slap on the hand.
The Elders were sympathatic to his plight, and felt helpless to help him. His ex-wife never got involved with another man ever again.
I talked to her here about 5 months ago, she has no use for the witnesses, and had wondered how her ex had pulled off getting married again without being disfellowshipped. Sympathy of the elders basically is what saved them.
Now if he had not been a faithful man, even once an elder, and continued straight though serving the congregation and had not married a JW gal it would not have gone so well with him I am sure. His activity is what saved him from disfellowshipping.
Balsam
johnny and i go back all the way to childhood.
we met in elementary school all those years ago.
he was a chubby, one-eyed kid with freckles and a coat that didn't fit him and i was a tall and vanishingly thin introvert who wore dress pants instead of blue jeans.
Terry,
I loved your discussion with Johnny. Can you direct me to information on the gentile converts and the jewish converts to Christianity and they differed. Is there some books that I can point too. I thought your arguement and reasoning with Johnny was outstanding. I would like to have in mind that same arguement. Going from a direct discussion on blood just does not work with most JW's. But going back to the actual historical understanding makes even more sense to me. Good going Terry.
Ruth
when i was single and not dating anyone, i bought myself flowers if i felt like it...they just add that extra touch to the home.. .
but when dating, i tend to not buy them as much, because i don't want the guy to feel bad.. .
for instance right now.. my bf has messed up big time and although i would prefer he picked me up flowers for just the 'i am thinking of you" kind of thing.. i realize most guys do not do that... but he keeps talking about picking me up flowers.. he has for a month!
DH,
Buying flowers for you Mom does count isn't that wonderful. Know she appreciates your thoughtfulness.
when i was single and not dating anyone, i bought myself flowers if i felt like it...they just add that extra touch to the home.. .
but when dating, i tend to not buy them as much, because i don't want the guy to feel bad.. .
for instance right now.. my bf has messed up big time and although i would prefer he picked me up flowers for just the 'i am thinking of you" kind of thing.. i realize most guys do not do that... but he keeps talking about picking me up flowers.. he has for a month!
My beloved husband buys flowers and roses for me just to say he loves me. He does this on the spur of the moment and surprises me. I love it. He is so very thoughtful that way. I probably get flowers from Howard not less than 8 times a year. Isn't that cool. With my children's Dad I got flowers once the whole 30 years I was married to him. And two gifts during that time. But then what you can you expect from a man who hates you. LOL
You guys if you love your gals, buy them flowers once in a while just to say you love them.
I have to say though, my sweety bought flowers for his previous two wives and never got so much as a thank you. I lavious praise on him for getting me flowers, because I really love it.
