for those who read....and also responded to part 1,,,,,,yes,,,,i have seen a medical doctor..... i am on antidepressants and will see the psycologist for the 3rd time this friday....she is a nice.
lady....it has all been very hard,,,,as you know,,,,to say anything against the organization,,,,even if.
it is the truth,,,,is a grave and deadly sin....so my conscience has hurt.....my husband has allowed.
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Hang in there. I know what you mean by the guilt of talking against the Borg. It took me some time to say anything negative about the GB, even after I left. But just remember, if they had the truth, real truth would not hurt them. It is just guild laid upon you by them. Identify your enemy, and you will have defeated him halfway already.
Viv.
this evening my daughter said: "being in this religion is like being in a gang.
you may join and never understand what's really required and if you ever want to get out, you can't.
you belong to them...."
I came, I saw and I LEFT. They have no power over me.
Viv.
i have the impulse to start a thread on dreams.
bad dreams, my dreams, your dreams and "wet" dreams.
first of all, my dreams.
Hehe, I have Most Satisfying and Vivid dreams....
O, seriously though. I sometimes have dreams of things I really want; certain people I want to see. And then I wake up, and discover it was just a dream I will feel so disillusioned.
i dont know if you been asked this before but what made you give up your religious beliefs,i assume that not all on here were jehovahs witnesses so if you were not please say.well i will telll you why i left, i got baptised as a jw 2 yrs ago and then started to notice say 6 months after baptism that the followers didnt really heed the what they were being taught it didnt seem to motivate them in their hearts, to say display genuine love it was more like a routine to them to be at meetings,talk to same ones,read watchtowers,it seemed so mechanical like robots,im not saying this is what caused me leave because i was serving genuinely i was really interested in practising what i preached,but i found it hard because everyone wasnt trying to do the samething.so then gradually i started to question things and then i got the internet last year and was itching to look on these so called apostate sites,you see i wanted to prove these sites wrong but in the end i was proved wrong with things like prophecies,jws past history,etc.
so thats my story
It started with a remark a friend made on Russel, on him being a drunk etc. I said "No, that's not true" But at home I decided I would needed to know that for sure. So I started digging into my history books, an found some interesting stuff. No, not about Russel, but about false prophecies. Than, I started to read more, and more, and more. With every word I read, my doubts grew. Began to see the mind control, and began to think for myself. Finally read ray Franz, which gave me the final show.
Oh, and there was this guy...
Viv.
there were 3 good arguments that jesus was black.
1. he called everyone "brother".
2. he liked gospel.
Jesus, you're Californian right? Please say I am correct,... I mean,... it's just.,... I s want to hear you say "Surf's up baby!".
Viv.
hey there.
i notice that you use latin phrases in your posts sometimes.
i use some of them in email sigs, etc.
LOL! Am gonna copy does ones! Thanks!
Afraid I can't think of any fun ones right now to share, but I do like this one ""Qui mortem metuit, quod vivit, perdit id ipsum" and than off course this one "Dum vivimus, vivamus!"
I am not really good at Latin though, I can decipher most of it, so that I can get the general idea, but that is about the sum of my abilities in that direction.
Viv.
i say with mixed feelings and fingers crossed, but i haven't read any of you knows totally stupid and un-thought provoking posts the last few days and i was wondering if he had finally realised what a total moron he sounds or whether simon has done the decent thing and blocked the idiot from posting...or is it just wishfull thinking on my part???
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You know, Jehovah uses grant words in that chapter, and in verse 11, he even says that there is no saviour next of him.... So, why doesn't he save? (also rhetorical). And if Jehovah complains about His messages not being understood, well, he should be a little bit more clear about them.
Viv.
i say with mixed feelings and fingers crossed, but i haven't read any of you knows totally stupid and un-thought provoking posts the last few days and i was wondering if he had finally realised what a total moron he sounds or whether simon has done the decent thing and blocked the idiot from posting...or is it just wishfull thinking on my part???
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You Know, you sound like a believing Zarathustra: when Zarathustra had spoken these words, he again looked at the people, and was silent. "There they stand," said he to his heart; "there they laugh: they do not understand me; I am not the mouth for these ears." - Funny though, I have that same feeling when talking to some witnesses....
Work the audience if you want, but is the fellow players that really make the play interesting. Looking forward on having discussions with you!
Viv.
i say with mixed feelings and fingers crossed, but i haven't read any of you knows totally stupid and un-thought provoking posts the last few days and i was wondering if he had finally realised what a total moron he sounds or whether simon has done the decent thing and blocked the idiot from posting...or is it just wishfull thinking on my part???
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You Know, from what I have read so far, I like you! Although I am an absolute apostate and disagree with most of what you say.
Viv.
well, how's your weekend going?
here in oz, it's almost over, and it's been a good one.
mrs ozzie's resting on the lounge watching 60 minutes and i'm....well, you know that, eh?
# 7, close to 200. A lot of novels but mostly history books bought myself, while being a JW. (If I would count my mums, she is a witness! I would end up well over 1000.)
But! I did threw away some science-fantasy books when I became a witness, not al of them, but some that were clearly satanic ended up it the trash can.
Viv.
