who was the famous politician, or king(??
) who when he died the message was sent "the old man is dead"?.
the reason why i ask is that there is a theory that king george of england when on his death bed was 'hurried along' by the doctors and this message was sent.. i tie this in with the theory that russell was piosoned or smothered, because when he died the telegram was sent to rutherford in california with the message "the old man is dead.
"A H Macmillan INTERCEPTED the telegram" - surely if it had been sent to him, it would say he "received the telegram" Who had it been sent to?
Sounds to me as if Rutherford Macmillan and Franz had already been cooking up mischief plans. Since Rutherford got Beth Sarim because the main thing was to get him out of crooklyn Brothel, maybe he was a trouble maker back then, and that's why he had to leave and go practice law in Californy.
HB
ok, since all the evidence and people/scholars etc, all agree that jerusalem was destroyed in 587/586 bce and not 607 bce.
how do the jw's get the extra 20 years, i understand the 2520 years and going back from 1914. but alot of the proof goes by adding up the kings reigns, and it gets you to the 587/586 date, do jw's simply add on a few years for each king, or is their a mystery king that ruled for 20 years that only they know about.. hhhhhhmmmmmmm.
hope my question makes sense.
Easy. Just don't talk about it in any detail and don't list sources that might cast doubt on their assertions.
Before the internet, this worked because most of the witlesses were too ignorant or lazy to go to a good library and know how to use it.
Any way Russell said the GTs started in 606 (he got that from Bishop Cranmers chronology of the 17th century via the Adventists) I have seen chronology charts from 19th C. showing 606. It was several years later that they realised no year zero and added 1 to make 607.
The reasoning is based on the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar, 29 ad from which the beginning of the 70 weeks of years is found by counting back. Add 70 years gets 607. Then assuming that the GTS did start then count forward to 1914. By now the average dub has glazed eyes:arithmetic "THATH HARRD" Gee the slave sure is smart but then it has god's spirit.
By searching their literature they give the same length of reigns for all the relevant monarchs, but these are scattered around in different places. No dub will remember anyway. If you piece these WT quotes together, the moment they suspect you are not being supportive of the slave dogma,training not to listen kicks in and they cry APOSTASY.
Most dubs accept the satement that Ptolemy's chronology of Babylonian kings is incomplete, which is true, but not for the reasons implied by the WTBS. Ptolemy only mentions a monarch if a significant astronomical event occurred during his reign. It is an astronomical text, not a history book. WT claims that if Ptolemy is incomplete how do we know other histories are not incomplete? WTBS have so undermined ability to think critically (in the good way) and confidence in non witless educated peoples honesty that by now they could say the moon is made of cheese and the dubs would preach it door to bore.
HB
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i was trying to fade, and thought i had done so successfully for the past 18months.. i have just received a call from my dad saying it will be announced tomorrow that i have been disfellowshipped... can they do this???.
chok.
If this causes you distress and you approach a lawyer to discuss it - if a third party such as the police or the lawyer sees the way you have been treated as harrassment then you have a case under the freedom from harrassment law (1995?)
Your lawyer can then issue a letter to the elders saying that if any announcement about you is made then you will be pressing charges against the persons concerned, as any such announcement would affect your reputation and how you are treated by your family. (I think it is called a 'cease and desist' )
Harrassment in some cases is where an an individual is singled out for special treatment that makes him feel distress or humiliation. Also when an individual or group attempts to influence how others treat you and ensuing treatment causes you distress or humiliation, that is harrassment under the act.
You must move quickly, but if they do make the announcement, approach a firm with a no win no fee policy and serve writs on those elders. If nothing else make an example of them so others hesitate to follow in their footsteps.
There is a section on the website for Witness Aid UK that deals with the legal issues of not being allowed to leave with dignity. Google the name of its founder anthony Roberts to find it. The WT keeps hounding his ISPs and shutting him down so has moved a lot.
HB
just curious, since they control how we dress, how we're suppose to fuck, how we act.
They do look and don't believe otherwise.
A woman I knew said an elder approached her to counsel her on how much of her underthigh showed when she crossed her legs.
She replied "I don't know - I don't spend the meeting looking at peoples' legs.!"
HB
i think i might of missed a possible grammar test for this site.
i used an obscure word awfulize in a previous post and people are still debating about the word.
didn't realize it would cause such a stir.
Follow in William Shakespeares footsteps,
make up words like he did.
You've along way to go before you equal his record.
HB
to those who were good enough to respond via pm and post to this friday morning update of mine on the vigil thread:in fact, last night was a rough one for me, beginning about 2 am est.
on wednesday, i went to get my complete blood count (cbc) and i had bottomed out in white blood cells, so home to virtual quarantine after a shot of white blood cell production stimulator neupogen.
one of the side effects can be bone pain, and i felt some pressure in my sternum and vertebrae, but not too terrible.
Outnfree
I really feel for you. I had a tumor removed that was thankfully benign, but I well know the fear.
Try to see and do as much as your energies permit. Enjoy every minute.
Enjoy knowing how much you are loved even by people you have never met. I love you xx.
HB
more blessings from the gilead instructors.... "it was brought out that christendom and the world smacks of .
baalism today.
sad to say, like the israelites sometimes even jehovah's .
I got from an insider who worked in the office at Bethel, that as far as he was concerned he did a 40 hour week for Jehovah so saw no reason to do more than the required minimum hours in service.
Compare this with brothers I knew who worked a 40+ hour week and then felt guilty if they did less than 20 hours out of their own time off from secular work.
What about the guy in bethel who made chees for Jehovah even though he did not enjoy it. He said it was still sacred service.
Maybe I should go work in a cheese factory and count the time...
HB
that seemed to be the catch phrase before i left about a year ago.
maybe they need to hire a pr firm to help out with a new catch phrase.
any ideas?
I remember the rising Nazi voice in1976:
"Does your faithful service prove that you believe you are living in the very last hours of this dying system?!"
Cue applause. And let us not forget that just as Jesus comes more often than a porn star according to WBTS we are in "the last days" at least in five different senses. 1: the last days that began in 1799 2: the last days from 1874 3: the last days from 1914 4: the last days of christendom from 1919 5: the last days of our own lives.
HB
there are several religions that teach that pork is an "unclean" meat and therefore should be avoided.. what, exactly, does "unclean" mean?
when i think of "unclean" i think of something contaminated by dirt or dangerous bacteria.
is there some other "spiritual" substance in pigs that cannot be detected?.
Mary Douglas' book "Purity and Danger" discusses this very issue.
Her theory is (as i recall) that god created
1: flying creatures of the heavens
2: fish of the sea
3: domestic animals and wild animals according to their kind
4: creeping things of the earth.
The ancients then only viewed as clean those creatures which unambiguously fitted in with their classes of these animals.
eg - a chewer of the cud had to have cloven hooves like the clean cow. Hence rabbits could not be eaten.
A pig has cloven hooves but does not chew the cud, unlike a cow ergo unclean.
Fish have scales - no scales: unclean: eels and shellfish.
Creeping things of the earth must have leaper legs eg locusts. unclean millipedes scorpions etc.
Carrion birds fed on dead flesh rather than what other birds fed on, thus they in some respects resembled scavenger animals like the dog.
In other words any creature which blurred the distinction between the various classes of created creatures was viewed as unclean because it posed a threat to the universal order they thought god had made. Anyone eating their flesh would be taking disorder into their bodies: "YOu are what you eat."
HB
well, i could not avoid going today; a close friend got dunked and i had to go.. i was not even in my seat when i was already writing down egregious mind control bs: the first of the day and here it is:.
(verbatim) "obedience in the congregation to the elders is the same as obedience to jehovah personally".
my day got started with that puker.. ok, sit down and take more notes; not enough caffeine to take it straight.
I'm going to be
"thick thick thic thick until I thcream!!!!!
HB
