it seems kind of crazy to go to someone's house touting your religion as truth and then not even defend your own beliefs.
why do jws stop the chat if someone just tries to calmly reason/debate with them?
i'm not talking about crazy preachers who start slamming bibles and yelling about how they need jesus or something.
The line in the Kingdumb Misery example presentation says it all:
[allow for comment]
1. How gracious they are to allow you to say something on your own doorstep!
2. They dont LISTEN
3. As one dub told a call "we are not here to debate we are here to preach." In other words they are not remotely interested in what you have to say.
4. They are, as pointed out, incapable of reasoned logical debate, even of holding on to one subject to discuss.
HB
.....after 8 years of us being disfellowshipped.
the made contact through my aunt who is still 'in' - as in she has faded but is not disfellowshipped and will pop to a meeting now and again - she does this for my grans' sake.. the contact was from my aunt and uncle (he's an elder) these were the 2 witnesses used against me in my judicial case.
they contacted my aunt and said to forward the message onto us.
personally I wouldnt go see them AT ALL.
Remind them that they are not to have contact with DF persons. That David whatsis face gave a talk saying that the Witchtower Religion was the best plan for old age.
You could well find your reaction in the situation very distressing. You have a new job to find and a new home, these are your concerns, not the pockets of those snakes.
HB
.....after 8 years of us being disfellowshipped.
the made contact through my aunt who is still 'in' - as in she has faded but is not disfellowshipped and will pop to a meeting now and again - she does this for my grans' sake.. the contact was from my aunt and uncle (he's an elder) these were the 2 witnesses used against me in my judicial case.
they contacted my aunt and said to forward the message onto us.
Loubelle -
GO GIRL! You were absolutely right. Put this the other way round - what if it had been you or your Mum asking them for help??
I hope everything is starting to look a bit less bleak in your very trying hour. At least you can hold up your head and see that you own your own life.
OXO
HB
well i went to a "special meeting" in the armadillo today where a 2 & 1/2 hour programme was relayed from london at 1pm.
apparently the letters of invitation only went out a month or so ago and not all congregations were invited.
there were 2,900 of us from around scotland.
Just study the photographs of the Gibbering Buddies.
The eyes are dead, despite the fake smiles.
They have got to be where they are by kissing a$$ and licking a$$. Eight old fools, who fell for the CRAP the as yet non-existent GB told them. They could not expect to be here now, and flounder for ways of keeping the hook in the noses of the Sheeples.
Looking at their ages, and the NOOLITE, the system is going on for at least another 30 years, unless Mark Sanderson is killed before then...
HB
Tornadoes are like earthquakes -
Do you remember the Ayatollah who said that earthquakes were more frequent because Muslim Women Sluts were abandoning the veil?
Everybody knows that God hates the fags, and America is starting to lurve the fags. They drive the fashion and makeup industries that create more wealth even than nuclear bombs!!
Where would the autumn line be if all the fags repented??
The tornadoes come in an almost regular five year cycle as each group of teen fags start doing the dirty dirty.
PROTECT OUR YOUTH I SAY!!
Down with fashion, up the burka!
HB
i wrote this poem a while back but with recent developments ( noo light .
when i was a kid, it was all very clear.
armageddon is soon, the end so near.
Yeahh Cold-Steel:
True believers are happy making everybody elses life a misery, especially when they decide the thing to do is fly airplanes into sky scrapers.
if you are believing in lies and imaginary friends what kind of fake happiness is that????
HB
brother of the hawk, newly enlightened & gojira, recorded an elder's meeting on 5/7/03.
both does a great job of defending me and making the elders look foolish!.
thank you raypublisher/jj and jwstruggle for the awesome job you did on it.. follow up story was not recorded but we will post it here hopefully over the weekend.. enjoy, it's pretty hilarious how they try to control us and come after me on a work of fiction!.
Yet the beth hell library has a copy ot the erotic noverl "Those About To Die" by David Mannix.
They quoted from it in a Witchtower Study just a few weeks ago - it has incest, sex orgies, bestiality, homosexuality and of course graphic violence. It caused a furore when it was published.
HB
went to my local charity shop the other day and while i was looking through the books, i happened upon at least 7 books (the name escapes me) that only elders use, several nwt bibles, and many other books, (paradise book?
) plus the smaller books, questions young people ask etc.
in total, i counted at least 80 jw books/bibles.
Unless you find books from before 1940 - Some of those titles go for 60$ or more on ebay.
Studies in the Scriptures Series 1 was going for 100 a few years ago. I wish I hadnt thrown that away now....
HB
it was last weekend.
i was visited by 2 older jws that appeared to be elders.
first time in 4 years any of them have come to my door.
They were up to something.
Usually elders will fly to the defence of the abuser.
I think they were sent there hoping to provoke you into saying something the WT lawyers can use against you.
WHY NO BOOK BAGS OR BIBLES????
HB
in the july 2013 km for the presentation to start a study, this is the recommended presentation: "almost everyone prays at one time or another.
even atheists have prayed when in trouble.
do you think that god listens to all prayers?".
They are not even interested in what the householder thinks.
See the Kingdumb Misery: " [allow for comment] then carry on as if they hadnt said anything."
Witnesses are now saying they are not here to debate, but simply to preach. (So shut up and listen.)
HB
