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  Suffering

  by Realist in

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  brief question: if the sin committed by adam and eve is responsible for suffering how can one explain the fact that animals died long before that event?

  or are animals not considered to suffer?

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  Were Adam and Eve responsible for all types of suffering?
  Where is that written?

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  Question for those who believe the bible.

  by seven006 in

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  2. beliefs

  a thread started by realist which mentioned the flood and the disappearance of the dinosaurs got me thinking.

  since i do not own a bible i had to download one from the internet to check a few things out (my computer is really pissed at me now).

  it's been many years since i read the bible but i needed to be accurate in my research to ask my question.

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  I still hold to the thought that the bible is a complete book of myth and folklore and was written by men to control others.

  
  I would say that the story of Noah is written to teach us things and contains many insights into the mystery of God. Just as I don't think Jonah actually got around in a whale, I don't think the story of Noah is an historical account for scientific examination, nor a one week creation 6000 years back. I don't need the stories to be a history to believe the bible - I don't believe Scriptures are meant for the examination of the flesh - it's a spiritual story.

  More to the point would be to be asking "Why an ark, wood? - the clean and unclean animals? - seven days after entering the ark? - the mountains were covered?"
  Such things would be more attuned to a spiritual search.

  If it's history you're into, the bible may not suit you. If it's a sign you're after, well, how come?

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  Finally a WT prophecy fulfilled?

  by Marilyn in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so what does the scripture "the love of the greater number will cool off" mean if it's not the big falling away from the wts in the last few years?

  btw i don't remember the scriptural context but i have sometimes wondered about it - even though i'm a devout non-believer.. marilyn

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  But do you attach any credence to them being particularly mentioned at all by scriptures? - other than perhaps things like, "many will come in my name, saying, 'I am he!' and, 'The time is at hand!' Do not go after them." or "Woe to you lawyers! for you have taken away the key of knowledge"

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  It's the Bible trustworthy word of God?

  by Mr Bean in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have many doubts about the bible itself.. many, many doubts.

  when i was jw, ive never questioned the bible firmly believing in their brain washing.

  i came out from wts because their lack of strict adherence to the bible.. but... when ive started to read some more independent materials and started to use my own brain, some serious questions started to puzzle me a lot.. the biggest problem i have with the bible is the fact that almost nothing there is written clearly and informations the bible contains are interpretable in many different ways.

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  Why do you have to understand all the Bible?

  Love God and love your neighbour (love God within your fellow man).
  Do the same as the Samaritan.

  You know this is so because the Spirit prompts you and confirms that this is God's will for you. Why would you simply have to know the meaning of all the scriptures? Don't you trust Him, even alone in the world? Do you need proof, seek for a sign?

  You don't have to have more, just as lots of people throughout the world don't, but no one said you can't ask.

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  Anointed Experience #2 - Contacting the FDS

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  marge was the mother of the jw man who brought me into the jws.

  she had been a jw since the early 1950s, and attended the famous 1958 international convention at yankee stadium/polo grounds in new york.

  marge was a very lovely person, hospitable, kind, generous, non-judgmental, and always a faithful jw.

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  Wow, it seems that the org did a good job on anticatholic / antiworld propaganda.

  just as bad and in some ways worse than big churches like the Roman Catholic religion

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  all these groups from the catholic church and other religous bodies, to various communist parties of the world and even in some business organisations, are run by a bunch of self-perpetuating, old men

  All the religious; but only various communist parties and some businesses ?

  The GB are a bunch of arseholes who are simply wrong, yet people fall for it, it just a fact. Leaders of the world's major religions may not always be right but I wouldn't be comparing them to the GB - they're in a league of their own when it comes to misinformation, lies and cover ups - well maybe some communist groups.

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  Finally a WT prophecy fulfilled?

  by Marilyn in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so what does the scripture "the love of the greater number will cool off" mean if it's not the big falling away from the wts in the last few years?

  btw i don't remember the scriptural context but i have sometimes wondered about it - even though i'm a devout non-believer.. marilyn

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  So what does the scripture "the love of the greater number will cool off" mean if it's not the big falling away from the WTS in the last few years?

  Do you think your still psychologically attached to the WTBTS belief system to think that scriptures refer to JWs ?
  - as if they would be more pertinent than say the orange people ?

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  ANOINTED JEHOVAH WITNESS APOLOGIZES

  by lotus in

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  2. friends

  dear people, i posted my first post on anointed witness has no doubt stating that i have the heavenly hope and was seeking others.

  many of you responded and i read all your replies.

  i am lonely in terms of knowing few other young anointed and being an active witness, so this makes me an oddity among you and in my cong.. mnay also wondered why i was on this website of ex-witness,.

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  and I want to know why so we can find ways to improve.
  I want to assure you that things are changing now, very exciting changes, and if you all had just more patience you would see.

  Impove? What about helping the poor and needy?
  Maybe JWs could learn to be kind and loving, like most other people throughout the world who listen to the Spirit inside them - it's a long shot but maybe, with patience, and less 'animal sacrifice' - things could change.

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  Bible Error: Peter Denies Knowing Jesus

  by JosephAlward in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the dialogue below, jesus scoffs at peters claim that he will give his life for jesus.

  he tells peter that before the sun comes up in the morning--before the rooster crows--peter would that very night pretend he did not even know jesus.. .

  readers should note especially that in the john passage below, jesus is predicting that the rooster would not crow until after peter has denied knowing jesus three times.. .

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  Rev, you wrote.
  

  it is probably safe to believe, also, that much of Jesus' and His disciples' understanding of the Old Testament scriptures was probably consistent with the prevalent halakah (and to a lesser extent haggadah)

  I tend to think that Christ revealed to them what is not understood naturally; particularly by the priestly Jews.
  "Then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures"

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  KILLER JWs NOT LIKELY BUT.............

  by Liberty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i find it highly unlikely that the watchtower society would ever demand that their followers start armageddon by killing their/god's "enemies".

  such a move would quickly spell the death of the jw movement as they are such a tiny minority of the general population and such crazed behaviour would be met with swift and complete irradication of the society by even the most tolerant governments.

  the cowards who run the society would never risk such an assured loss of comfort, position, and money since any accomplishment gained from this desparate(irrational)action would be very short-lived.

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  The JWs nearest to us think nothing of breaking laws if they can upset their Catholic neighbors. I've seen them and their 'friends' at vandalism in order to further their hatefilled way. They desire the death of their 'enemies'.
  As a group they will generally withold their worldly goods from their 'brothers'. To my mind they are murderers and no amount of daring on their part would suprise me - only courage.

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  MORE ON "ONLINE BIBLES"

  by revdrjohnson in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  joseph f. alward, posted the following:.

  i believe there are many on this forum who are not aware of the many online bibles from which they could almost effortless copy verses to paste into their arguments.

  when one refers to a particular verse in a particular book, few readers have the patience to go seach through the whole book.

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  Do any online versions include the whole bible - or do they all take out the 'deuterocanonical' text - protestant versions ?

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