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  I caught a 'good standing' JW with another woman

  by jaffacake in

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  hi old friends, .

  the reason i joined this group was to stop my lifelong friend getting baptised a jw.

  well, i failed when he was baptised 2 years ago.

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  barry

  Gday jaffacake, Good to hear from you after so long.
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  7th Day Adventists & J-Dubs

  by Black Man in

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  can we consolidate a comprehensive thread on what beliefs the dubs ripped off, ahem co-opted from the adventists.

  i believe the birthdays and some of the end-times speculation came from them.

  i've been interested in seeing how much of an influence they have been.

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  barry

  I just found on the SDA Official website the SDA attitude to other christian groups and their attitude to apostates. Some of you might be thinking Im preaching here but nothing could be farther from the truth in some areas I strongly disagree with SDA doctrine like the investigative doctrine and 1844

  SDA attitude to other christians. From the official website

  We recognize those agencies that lift up Christ before men as part of the divine plan for evangelization of the world and we hold in high esteem christian men and women in other communions who are engaged in winning souls to Christ.

  SDA attitude to Apostates.

  We recognize that true religion is based on conscience and conviction.It is therefore to be our constant purpose that no selfish interest or temporal advantage shall draw any person to our communion and that no tie shall hold any mamber save the belief and conviction that in this way the true connection with Christ is found. If a change of conviction leads a member of our church to feel no longer in harmony with SDA faith and practice we recognize not only the right but the responsibility of that member to change, without opprobrium, religious affilliation in accord with belief. We expect other religious bodies to respond in the same spirit of religious liberty.
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  That Evil Disco??

  by WTWizard in

  1. watchtower
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  back in october 1983, there was a craptower study article that effectively banned disco, rock, and funk music.

  it also spelled the end of those rollerskating parties that the congregations used to organize.

  now, i can see their reasoning behind the rock (backmasking satanic messages) and funk (dirty), even though it is very specious.. however, the "evil disco" strikes me as weird.

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  barry

  Many of the hymns of Christendom have the tunes of popular music and some of the protestant reformers have said " Why should the devil have all the good music'.
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  Has Islam lead to an increase in Atheism?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
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  ever since 911 and the subsequent attacks in bali, madrid, and london it seems that everyone feels they have a licence to criticise islam (they do).

  fundamentalist and many mainstream christians deride the backwardness of a religion that creates suicide bombers and 'honour' killers.

  of course, it was only a small group of hardcore islamist extremists that carried out these attacks but the whole community has been tarred by them, and perhaps in some sense it is only right that the majority of 'reasonable' and peaceful muslims do accept the part they play in providing the soil for these people to grow in.

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  barry

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  muslims while they wouldnt blow anyone up are sympathetic to the radical people in Islam.
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  Tom Cruise and Germany

  by sspo in

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  last night on the news it was mentioned that he was not allowed to film in germany because he was a member.

  of a cult " scientelogy" and it was nothing but a money making organization.. the question is why would they pick on them and not on the jw's knowing that their doctrines are harmful.

  to its members, such as the blood issue and df member and deviding families?.

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  I just heard on the news that the reason the Germans are so sensitive about Scientology is because Scientology promotes an authoritan style state in the future.similar to Nazism.
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  I thought they were crazy ...now I understand

  by Mrs Smith in

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  i could never get my head around the fact that people fall inlove over the net.

  it just seemed impossible to me.

  but now that i have been posting here for a while a totaly understand.

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  barry

  Am i invited too Mrs Smith ? Im fuzzy but its cold over here.
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  Millerite Adventism and Fred Franz

  by Dogpatch in

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  a gem from barbara anderson:.

  http://www.freeminds.org/women/barbara_anderson.htm.

  millerite adventism and fred franz.

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  barry

  Im supprised at the DD reference ' dump dogs' ive allways beleived Milller was a preacher of the baptist church until the day he died. Maybe he wasnt ordained.
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  7th Day Adventists & J-Dubs

  by Black Man in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  can we consolidate a comprehensive thread on what beliefs the dubs ripped off, ahem co-opted from the adventists.

  i believe the birthdays and some of the end-times speculation came from them.

  i've been interested in seeing how much of an influence they have been.

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  barry

  Gday Blackman,

  Im the SDA here so maybe I can answer some of youre questions.

  Arianism came through the Adventist movement and to this day some SDAs are still Arian. When Walter Martin studied Adventism in the 50s he found to his amazement that on official church papers both Arianiam and the Trinity were taught of course the Trinity doctrine is the official one taught by the SDA church.

  It should be remembered that to the lead up to the great dissapointement in 1844 the Milleriterites were diverse in their beleifs and they had a wide range of beleifs because tehy came from other churches and were members of different churches while still holding to Millers idears

  The SDAs have birthday partys just just like the majority of the people out their.

  The SDAs use historicism to interpret last day evens just as the JWs do. In SDA circles there has been a reaction against historicism because of its 19th century connection and the beleife there are just much better interpretations available.The only other church useing the historicist method is the worldwide church of god.

  SDAs together with the christadelphians and JWs all beleive in soul sleep but all SDAs [the great crowd ] go to heaven with the 144000 Jehovahs witnesses.
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  Moon Landings - Real or Fake?

  by Black Man in

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  i've always wondered about this, especially recently.

  i've always contended that they were real and ignored the conspiracy theories.

  but if they were real, why hasn't nasa been able to send a man to the moon since the 1970s?

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  barry

  The pictures of them landing on the moon were taken from inside the lunar module and the pictures of the m taking off from the moon were taken from a camera left on the lunar surface and beamed to earth via the command module orbiting the moon.
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  When DID the Jews return?

  by Doug Mason in

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  the wts says that the key date in the jews return from babylon is tishri 1 537 bce.. the wts uses that date to arrive at its incorrect date of 607 bce for the destruction of jerusalem.

  in turn, its 607 bce date is used to provide the date of october 1914 ce for christs parousia and the setting up of gods kingdom government.

  the wts claims to be the sole representative upon earth of gods kingdom.. the date of the jews return is thus crucial to the watchtower societys (wts) existence and authority.

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  barry

  Scholar,

  As Doug Mason asks you, why can you converse with apostates while other witnesses shake in their boots at the thought of being disfellowshiped and being separated from family and friends?. We would all like to know here on this forum. Also you might like to tell me why my exwife after studying with the witnesses shook with fear when she visited my church?

  Such questions dont need to be answered in private and are not impertinent to normal people. My church doesnt tell me not to worship in another church or who not to talk to.