well, let me clarify that a bit.
in a totally unscientific study of our relatively new search capability i've come to this conclusion: finding a post is dependent on when it was done.
there is a delay of some 100 days, perhaps dependent on when some administrator does a scan of the entire database of posts -- which certainly must be time-consuming.
Aude - I tried "and" yesterday but it didn't work. After reading Fat's post, I tried "AND" -- that works! (The AND/OR/NOT is case-sensitive)
So "this and that" will find threads with the words "this", "and" or "that" in them.
But "this AND that" will only find threads with the words "this" and "that" both in them.
Dave
paul of course is the mainstay of this, and i really like saying "hey lets stick to what jesus taught" but even he condemned the pharacees and others in a considerably judgemental manner.
so what to say to my elder/dad who won't speak to my df son?
like when paul says to not eat with them, don't say a greeting to them etc....how do we get around that?
Oh Lore, that is good stuff! Very nice. And of course, who doesn't love the irony of two atheists being the first two replies on a Bible thread? :-P
(OK, it's not a "Bible" thread per se....)
Dave
paul of course is the mainstay of this, and i really like saying "hey lets stick to what jesus taught" but even he condemned the pharacees and others in a considerably judgemental manner.
so what to say to my elder/dad who won't speak to my df son?
like when paul says to not eat with them, don't say a greeting to them etc....how do we get around that?
I've always thought 2 Corinithians 2:5-7 was interesting in this regard: "Now if anyone has caused sadness, he has saddened, not me, but all of YOU to an extent—not to be too harsh in what I say. 6 This rebuke given by the majority is sufficient for such a man, 7 so that, on the contrary now, YOU should kindly forgive and comfort [him], that somehow such a man may not be swallowed up by his being overly sad."
The JW's use this as a "reinstatement" example. Paul had earlier written about a man that needed to be "disfellowshipped", and here he is now "reinstating" him.
Note, though that the "rebuke" was only given by the "majority". Did some minority of the congregation not participate in shunning this man? How else could this verse be understood? If so, why wasn't that minority disfellowshipped, as they would be today?
In addition, in all of these verses, the word "unrepentant" doesn't come up. "Stop mixing in company with anyone called a brother that IS a fornicator, IS an adulterer, etc". It's always about what the person is doing, not about what they WERE doing. And of course, there is absolutely no reference to any sort of judicial arrangement or announcement to officially designate people as "disfellowshipped" or "reinstated".
Their allegedly scriptural position just doesn't stand up to scrutiny. The verses they use make much more sense when viewed as advice, to be taken or not, by individual members of the congregation. Instead of a Talmudic law to be followed or face retribution.
BTW, in poking about at the Watchtower site just now, I found this little gem: "By also avoiding persons who have deliberately disassociated themselves, Christians are protected from possible critical, unappreciative, or even apostate views. — Hebrews 12:15, 16."
JW's are so fragile that they need to be protected from "critical" and even "unappreciative" views! Poor little spiritual waifs! *gag*
Dave
the wts reaction to the nbc piece is that of the classic but unsuccesful spinmeister.
parts of it remind me of that river in egypt, dnile.
mostly, however, it totally shocked me that they chose to subscribe to some expert who implies that pedophilia is some recently discovered phenomena.
>>People didn't have the body of knowledge 18 or 20 years ago to say that this is something that will harm your child emotionally
Remember, we're talking about 20 years ago here! With all the knuckle-dragging, and woolly-mammoth hunting, added to society's focus in general on achieving "fire", you can understand why we hadn't yet caught on to pedophilia being a bad thing. *roll eyes until they hurt*
Observant poster Brinjen once quoted this from the 1997 Watchtower article 'Trust In An Imperfect World':
Notice that Paul mentions attitudes that have to do with the Christian ministry. How can a Christian minister serve others if his hands are not pure, if he is not a man of integrity? The head of an Irish religious order who recently resigned well illustrates the point. He admitted that he "allowed a paedophile priest to continue working with children long after his child abuse became known," according to TheIndependent newspaper. The account explained that the abuse extended over 24 years. The priest was jailed for four years, but think of the suffering imposed upon the children he assaulted during those years because his overseer lacked the moral integrity to take action!
So apparently "The Independent" had accumulated a "body of knowledge" on this topic more than 20 years ago, as had the legal system under which the pedophile was convicted.
Wow.
Dave
Poor Simon, he actually had NOTHING bad to say. You could almost see the wheels turning in his evil head, trying to think of *something*, ANYTHING to deride this incredible singer over -- but had nuthin'.
Wow. Makes you wonder where a guy develops a talent like that? You can hardly do something like that in the shower, and there aren't too many "opera-themed" open mike/karaoke places. However he got it, he most certainly got it.
Dave
joseph was imprisoned because of false accusations made by potiphar's wife.
he had at least two cell mates, a cupbearer and a bakerwe do not know the charges against either prisoner.. joseph's cell mates had dreams.
by god's power, he interpreted the dreams, including which day the dream prophecies would be fulfilled.
Very good reasoning, AS.
Unless I'm mistaken, there are only two instances in the Bible of people applying eye makeup as well, both of the them were murderers. Seen the article "Eye Makeup -- Why Not For Christians" yet? Yeah, me neither...
Dave
friends,.
i just confirmed the "generation" change from another forum in portuguese.
the following is the text in portuguese:.
>>With the new JW-only magazines coming out, no telling what they will be using for more control of their followers.
Yes, it could get pretty wacky. Should be fun!
>>since they reopened the door back last May, new anointed ones are going to continue showing up. Which means this can bumble on forever
Agreed, I think that's the point of this one. It's brilliant; the urgency is kind of there, since there is a perception of the anointed as an older group ("Hurry up and die already!"), but it keeps them being tied to a date.
Dave
I don't mind if they legally join, but I don't want them calling it "marriage" -- that's strictly for a man and a woman.
Nor can they call it "civil union" -- that's strictly for a man and man, or a woman and woman.
Perhaps they could go with "civil upgrade"? ;-)
Seriously, I wouldn't mind a bit if people wanted to marry artificial life forms. But you know as soon as she's an 8086, he'll trade her in on two 4043's!
Robot Wife: "Our relationship seems to be faltering, and *I'm* working as designed! So if anyone's changing, it's you!"
Dave
you guys this has really freaked me out so much tonight as i was looking though my revelation book climax at hand i was looking to see where we had left off and i usually do this by seeing where i have stopped highlighting in the book.. so i started at pg 156 & 157 of the book so there were a bunch of marks on those two pages their are pics nothing special there.. but on page 159 their is a pic of jesus in the heavens where he is extending his handout to get a piece of paper and that's where i notice on the hand that were the wrinkles are supposed to be there is a face like a fetusnow i mean anybody can tell you that is a face of a baby.
i don't know why a baby on jesus hand or what it suppose to mean.
i guess it really shows how the control tower (watchtower) make me a jw feel really shitty.
>>It's amazing some people would think a professional artist can't make a better hand than this
Just another thing to consider -- as I understand it, the Watchtower artists work from photographs of real people. They stage the scene, photograph it, then have the artist paint it. Of course, the artist could always insert the image, whether it was in the photo or not. But it's something to bear in mind.
Dave
you guys this has really freaked me out so much tonight as i was looking though my revelation book climax at hand i was looking to see where we had left off and i usually do this by seeing where i have stopped highlighting in the book.. so i started at pg 156 & 157 of the book so there were a bunch of marks on those two pages their are pics nothing special there.. but on page 159 their is a pic of jesus in the heavens where he is extending his handout to get a piece of paper and that's where i notice on the hand that were the wrinkles are supposed to be there is a face like a fetusnow i mean anybody can tell you that is a face of a baby.
i don't know why a baby on jesus hand or what it suppose to mean.
i guess it really shows how the control tower (watchtower) make me a jw feel really shitty.
>>The "face" on Mars, the smoke from 9-1-1, and seeing fleeting images in clouds......are all "natural" by occurrence
I'd be more inclined to call them "random" than natural. They weren't intended to form horsies in the sky, but they just happened to. And if for some reason we'd never had horses on earth, they'd've still formed the exact same shape. We just wouldn't recognize it as anything -- like a thousand other shapeless clouds.
Maybe somebody really did intend to draw a baby face in that picture. But since it's hard for me to imagine WHY somebody would do that, I think -- in my opinion, of course -- that it's more likely it was just a random pattern without intent.
Dave
