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  Huge shock!

  by Crumpet in

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  i just got a major shock.

  i can't believe the new levels of cruelty possible within families who are jws.. a friend on this board who i've known since i was a baby practically has managed to get me a picture of my little sister who i haven't seen for 8 years - the one who i've mentioned my dad said was working on the bethel quick build team.

  the one who i've described my fears that she and my younger sister are staying single until armageddon.

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  wiegel

  Crumpet - I am going through a similar thing with my witness family members and I'm not even df'd. Sometimes I just can't believe how heartless they seem, but I am learning that it is not about me. That is the hardest thing to do I think, after years of programming that tells you that you "deserve" the shunning and that they are doing it BECAUSE they love you.

  Hang in there and try to spend time with positive people. We need to let go of the anger, the regrets, the resentment, the fear, and the guilt or we can't be happy. Looking from the outside in, we can see that THEY aren't a happy people. While they think (or SAY they think) that shunning is loving and they hope it pushes you to return. But we need to remember that the best "witness" we can give them is to be happy, let them see that our happiness is real and not dependent on the drone of the hive.

  Trudy
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  Why do dubs think they're smarter than everyone else?

  by MsMcDucket in

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  have you ever noticed this?

  i mean it could be about something as simple as washing dishes, but they knew how to do it a better way.

  has anyone else had an experience with a witness that just knew it all?

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  wiegel

  Why do dubs think they're smarter than everyone else?

  Because they're not.
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  why celebrate christmass?

  by Cordelia in

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  ok so its nearly christmass and i'm thinking of celebrating it for the first time, but i feel alittle wrong in doing so, i know all the witness reasoning of why its wrong and just wondered what your reasons are as to why its right!.

  i have a 3 year old little girl and would love to make it nice for her (tho my family would go mad!

  ) im thinking of getting a baby tree (one that can easily be hidden!

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  wiegel

  To HAVE FUN!!!!!!!
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  Nothing in Reasoning book about Disfellowshipping

  by Goldminer in

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  2. beliefs

  i had a talk with my father last night about the practice of disfellowshipping.my father is an active jw with privileges in the local hall.he doesn't seem in total agreement with the shunning practice of the wts,and he brought out the example of the prodigal son.we had a good discussion and i'm going to research it some more through the chapter on the misuse of disfellowshipping in the book in search of christian freedom.. anyways,i thought i'd look it up in the reasoning book to see what the wts reasoning on disfellowshipping was.it turns out it's not in the table of contents or in the index.i thought this odd;how would one reason on this with a householder who asks about it?

  why is there nothing in the reasoning book on a subject every jw says is scriptural?.

  goldminer

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  wiegel

  shun them because you love them.

  and then they wonder why they are "so misunderstood"

  oh brother.
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  My friends experience at elder school

  by Grouper in

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  a friend of mind went to elder school recently and i convoy the following for him: .

  the co asked him previously if he could assist with a demonstration showing the superiority of wtbts education to university education.

  my friend holds a few masters' degrees and will be starting a phd program soon so the co thought he would be an excellent candidate to demonstrate the superiority of wtbts education, but there was a little problem my friend he said no.

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  wiegel

  oh brother.

  the real reasons they discourage "university" education:

  1. the kids are 18 and don't HAVE TO keep up the routine at the KH if they don't want to.
  
  2. it's not the sex, drugs, or alcohol
  
  3. it's the fact that many will learn how to THINK for themselves

  As a life-long witness myself from 20 yrs on, I didn't learn how to think critically until I got out of their grasp - I was in my 50's. Once you learn to do that, the house of cards comes tumbling down, the emperor stands naked exclaiming "Pay no attention to the naked emperor, his clothing is figurative and only the clean of heart can see it."

  and that's my 2 cents on WT giving skills for successful living.

  oh brother.
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  Nov KM: Hospital Visits and Disaster Relief Donations

  by doinmypart in

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  a couple of points from the u.s. branch november 2005 km.. in the u.s. there is a federal law (hipaa) protecting a patient's privacy.

  the km announces what a publisher must do when admitted to a hospital, if he/she wants to receive elders visits.. a question box discussing donations made to the worldwide work rather than specific disaster relief.. see the attachments.. .

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  wiegel

  "Our directing donations primarily to the worldwide work allows for more funds to be available for use in connection with all features of the Kingdom work rather than being held only for future relief needs." (Kingdom Ministry Nov 2005)

  "Rather than being held for future relief needs?" How would it be possible for someone to earmark a donation for a "future relief" need?

  And this is from Nov 2005, the year of the tsunami (give a week), katrina, the Indian earthquake, to name a few of the catastrophes that will be needing relief for many years to come.

  Who really is your neighbor? Their self-serving, money-grabbing, isolationist behavior makes me sick. AND they put it in print - amazing................ shamelessness
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  Outright Lie in the Reasoning Book

  by PaNiCAtTaCk in

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  under the topic "are jehovahs witnesses a sect or a cult?

  the last sentence of the first paragraph says "they do not look to any human, but rather to jesus christ, as their leader.".

  if an active witness were to make this exact statement to an elder, he or she would throw up a red flag!

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  doofdaddy - i just love your orange anology! with your permission, i plan to use it to describe the "flip flop" that used to drive me crazy - literally! trudy
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  Watchtower Gives Up Explaining 607 BCE Date!

  by VM44 in

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  this is a very important observation, that the watchtower has not tried to explain in print why 607 bce is the year for the destruction of jerusalem for the last 17 years!!!.

  all that the watchtower has done over most of the last two decades is to repeat over and over the year "607bce" in its publications as if it is an unquestioned fact!.

  the last time an explaination for the year was attempted by the watchtower was in 1988 when the "insight" volumes were published, but since then, no explaination for the validity of the year has appeared in print.. this must mean something, but what?

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  yup, they are celebrated scholars alright, but scholars of what???? trudy (of the "I can't believe it happened to me" class)
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  Aren't we great? JW's lead the way at the Astrodome

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

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  a letter that was just passed on to me by e-mail.

  it's important to follow the elder's directions:.

  hi don,.

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  wiegel

  Interesting note from TV the other night. Whilst trying to sort out what went awry in rendering aid to the victims, it has been noted that the BEST and most EFFICIENT help is coming from religious groups. They did not hilight one or the other, but the help provided by individual religious groups was commended. So, the model is effective and the borg doesn't really stand out in this regard - oh, except that they are the only ones with the truth, that's a given..............ooops trudy
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  Quotes story is on popular news website!!!!!!

  by rebel8 in

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  sorry for starting yet another "quotes" thread, but i thought this was cool/unusual news.

  i submitted it and they published it!

  www.fark.com watchtower sues webmaster for $100k, claims quoting their literature causes them loss of reputation and embarrassment.

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  wiegel

  So, they may be able to dance cirles around the r&f with euphemisitic double-talk, but when the bottom line is that they are embarrassed by their own literature, those with ears had better "listen".