I went to the meeting yesterday because the out of town speaker and his wife are good friends of my wife and I. After the meeting we got invited to someones house who was feeding the speaker because they know that we are friends and because Ive missed lots of meetings in the last two months and my wife and I need a good love bombing! Well during our lunch I was complaining about my having braces at 30 and how stupid I looked with them and the 83 year old sisters house we were at told me that I wasted my money on them because the end would be here with 7 years anyway. I asked her "do you really think so?" She said she didnt think but that she knew!! I couldnt help but wonder how many times she has said that through the years. She was babtised in 1952 and pioneering still. I couldnt help but feel a little sad for her. After all she no doubt never planned on growing old in this old system of things and shes in such bad health she will pass away within a couple of years probably. A couple of years ago I would have agreed with her comment about the end coming within 7 years but Now I see everything from a more educated point of view and comments like these sound like they come from someone completely brainwashed. My wife also said something to me about her comment. My wife is really starting to see the errors now and the vicious cycle that the witnesses have been in since there start.
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long time sister told me yesterday that end would be here within 7 years!!
by PaNiCAtTaCk ini went to the meeting yesterday because the out of town speaker and his wife are good friends of my wife and i. after the meeting we got invited to someones house who was feeding the speaker because they know that we are friends and because ive missed lots of meetings in the last two months and my wife and i need a good love bombing!
well during our lunch i was complaining about my having braces at 30 and how stupid i looked with them and the 83 year old sisters house we were at told me that i wasted my money on them because the end would be here with 7 years anyway.
i asked her "do you really think so?
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feelings of hopelessness for wife and I. Any video or book recommendations
by PaNiCAtTaCk inive read coc and isocf and they destroyed my faith in the society and faith in man.
ive officially gone inactive in the last 2 months.
ive had several email conversations with ray franz that have also made me more convinced that i could never be an active jw again.
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Thanks to everyone who responded. Your comments are really helping during this crisis in our lives.
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feelings of hopelessness for wife and I. Any video or book recommendations
by PaNiCAtTaCk inive read coc and isocf and they destroyed my faith in the society and faith in man.
ive officially gone inactive in the last 2 months.
ive had several email conversations with ray franz that have also made me more convinced that i could never be an active jw again.
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Ive read COC and ISOCF and they destroyed my faith in the society and faith in man. Ive officially gone inactive in the last 2 months. Ive had several email conversations with Ray Franz that have also made me more convinced that I could never be an active JW again. My inactivity and comments here and there have gotten my wife having doubts also. Her meeting attendance and hours in the ministry have dropped to almost nothing also. I still cant get her to read CoC which i know would kill her faith. We have a son starting kindergarden this year and now im faced with what to tell the teachers. My wife and I havent talked about this yet but its coming to a head very soon because enrollement is this month. I still have feeling of hopelessness and the feelings of "what is my purpose?" I know that shes having major guilt at the same time. The problem is when I try to visit with her about whats going on with our faith and our feelings she pretty much starts crying and shuts down. We are in the same situation of having lots of family on both sides who are active witnesses. I was looking around a while ago and came across a video series by steve hassan called releasing the bonds. Does anyone have a review of this series and is it worth 150 dollars!!!! What about a video called "in the name of Jehovah" has anyone seen this and if I could get my wife to watch it with me would it help our situation and make it easier to bear? Does anyone have any other recommendations for Videos, DVD or books that may make things easier. I feel like I lost all purpose in life. I have been helped alot by a profesional counselor but my wife hasnt taken that step yet. Even though the counselor has helped I still feel i have a big void in my life and my biggest concern is my son and how to raise him. I told my mom last night that i want to go inactive and that my conscience wont allow me to preach things to others that I know to be false 1914 ect. She was already asking how i felt about holidays and stuff. I just told her I havent considered them but that obviously i know that Chrismas wasnt Christs birthday. Overall my mom seemed to take it ok and she just said a couple of times I wish I knew what to say, I wish i knew what to say. She then went on to say that when it comes to the apostles they were also confused and came to better understanding of things over time so likewise we have done the same thing. I told her the only reason she says that is because the society uses that excuse over and over and that I had used it many times myself but when it comes down to it The apostles didnt pick dates and false prophecy. She didnt say anything else. Im just feeling really down now more than ever and need some advice. Ive been having doubts for a couple years now but its alot more real now that Ive talked to my mom and I said a bunch of the same things to a couple of people from the cong the other day when they came by to encourage me. I feel they may tell the elders the things I said and come after me. Ive kinda gotten off track from my original post but im looking for a video that my wife and I can get comfort from. Maybe something that has EX elders in it that have moved on with there life and offer hope. I saw a book at walmart called the purple driven life has anyone read this? Thanks in advance.
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tonight is the night
by susu812 inso i am being announced (the new way) as being df'd tonight.
me and my ex--who wont show up so i will be there all alone.
i am still unsure of how i feel about the whole thing.
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Probably one reason she is going is because the ol "if your living under my roof then you will abide by my rules". Also no doubt she loves her father very much and he also happens to be an elder. An elder will always encourage you to go to your disfellowshipping. Actually when someone doesnt go often people take it as "she must have a rebellious spirit."
Whatever you decide Hang in there! One thing I dont understand though is if you went forth with your sin why are they disfellowshipping you? If someone is repentant then usually they dont just disfellowship like they used to.
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Something the speaker said yesterday that got my wife thinking. Advice?
by PaNiCAtTaCk ini was working yesterday so i wasnt at the meeting but the speaker in his talk made comments about 1914 on several occasions and towards the end of his talk he mentioned that if any new ones in attendence didnt understand the signficance of 1914 or how we know that christ started ruling in 1914 that they were invited to ask any jw in attendence to explain these things to them and they would be happy to.
this really got my wife to thinking because as a 28 year old jw who was raised as a witness and who has always been very active in the ministry she couldnt explain 1914 or any beliefs that we have as witnesses in regards to 1914 other than things havent been the same in the world since this pivotal date.
something as simple as this comment from this speaker can be the first step into seeing the errors in the wt belief system.
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thanks guys for all the responses. I really want her to understand the errors in our beliefs but at the same time being enlightened can cause a major crisis in ones life. I know it has mine. There are still many doubts and much confusion about what I should believe and how I should worship Jehovah. Occasionally I still get the "this must be the truth" feelings. Its getting easier for me the more I research but if I create this crisis in my wifes life then she will also have to face these same issues. I wish I could have gone through this crisis before I got married and had a child. My son starts kindergarden in 3 months and I have to go with my wife and of course talk to the teachers about how we are JW's and we dont do this and that or color xmas pictures. Thanks again everyone.
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Something the speaker said yesterday that got my wife thinking. Advice?
by PaNiCAtTaCk ini was working yesterday so i wasnt at the meeting but the speaker in his talk made comments about 1914 on several occasions and towards the end of his talk he mentioned that if any new ones in attendence didnt understand the signficance of 1914 or how we know that christ started ruling in 1914 that they were invited to ask any jw in attendence to explain these things to them and they would be happy to.
this really got my wife to thinking because as a 28 year old jw who was raised as a witness and who has always been very active in the ministry she couldnt explain 1914 or any beliefs that we have as witnesses in regards to 1914 other than things havent been the same in the world since this pivotal date.
something as simple as this comment from this speaker can be the first step into seeing the errors in the wt belief system.
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I was working yesterday so I wasnt at the meeting but the speaker in his talk made comments about 1914 on several occasions and towards the end of his talk he mentioned that if any new ones in attendence didnt understand the signficance of 1914 or how we know that Christ started ruling in 1914 that they were invited to ask any JW in attendence to explain these things to them and they would be happy to. This really got my wife to thinking because as a 28 year old JW who was raised as a witness and who has always been very active in the ministry she couldnt explain 1914 or any beliefs that we have as witnesses in regards to 1914 other than things havent been the same in the world since this pivotal date.
Something as simple as this comment from this speaker can be the first step into seeing the errors in the WT belief system. So many of our beliefs are built on the 1914 foundation that with just a small amount of research outside the bounderies of the WT publications can completely wreck someones faith in the society and man.
My wife knows I have a real problem with 1914 and 607. She has heard me on several occasions talk about my research on 607 and mention highlights from CoC. Mostly she has tuned me out just accepting what the society says as truth. But something about the way this brother gave his talk and his mention of 607 and how any JW can explain our beliefs in regards the chronology really got my wife thinking and wanting to finally understand after all these years exactly it is that she is supposed to believe.
She asked me today to help her understand our beliefs realizing she has no idea what she really believes. At one point she was even laughing about the fact that she doesnt even understand where to begin explaining to someone that would inquire about 1914.
This is just another example of how many raised in the truth in the 30 year old range just go through the motions of being a witness never truly understanding what it is that they believe when it comes to the deeper things. All these years she has heard 1914 and 607 talked about and she basically just spaced out and day dreamed because she couldnt understand.
I know one thing that has always bothered me is the mindset that because our parents did it and everyone we know as friends does it it must be the truth right? This same mindset is one thing my wife would really struggle with also. She basically just knows that you go to meetings go in service and be a JW and hopefully you make it.
Anyway Im excited about her really wanting to understand exactly what it is she believes. I would like to show her something that is as basic as you can but still get the point across and then show her where the WT is error. I would like a pre-written article that will save me alot of time and research. If it gets to deep to quick my wifes eyes will just glaze over and I will lose her. I plan on getting my CoC book back out and re-reading the chapters that touch on the subject but if I could find one article that was easy to understand that pretty much said it all I would use that. I read something on here a while back about a kiss explanation or something like that. If someone could post a link to that article that woudl be great also. I am also looking for any other ideas that would help me in getting the points across to her. This brother made such an issue of the importance of 1914 to a Witness that she is really open now to hearing what I have to say. Thanks for any help or input that you have. Thanks in advance.
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Do You Personally Know Of Any JW That Was Sexually Abused?
by minimus in,,,,while they were witnesses?
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My sister was being fondled by the Presiding Overseer. When she told my Mom and Dad they went to the other Elders. The P.O. said that she was just looking for attention. Not long after about 3 other kids came forward with the same accusations. He was quickly disfellowshipped.
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did anyone help rebuild after a hurricane hit?
by PaNiCAtTaCk ini went with my congregation for a couple of weeks to florida after hurrican andrew hit and we stayed in an assembly hall there.
i was around 16 and i really had a blast.
i also went to st. thomas v.i after the hurrican marilyn hit in around 1995 stayed 3 weeks that time.
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I went with my congregation for a couple of weeks to florida after hurrican andrew hit and we stayed in an assembly hall there. I was around 16 and I really had a blast. I also went to ST. Thomas V.I after the hurrican Marilyn hit in around 1995 stayed 3 weeks that time. Also had an awesome time. Just wondering if anyone else here went with the congregation to any of these hurricane rebuilds.
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Anyone here help rebuild after a hurricane affected the witnesses?
by PaNiCAtTaCk ini went with some in my congregation for a couple of weeks when hurricane andrew hit florida in the early 90's.
we slept on the floor of an assembly hall there.
then i also went to st. thomas v.i.
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I went with some in my congregation for a couple of weeks when hurricane andrew hit Florida in the early 90's. We slept on the floor of an assembly hall there. Then I also went to St. Thomas V.I. to help when hurricane marilyn hit them in around 95. I was able to stay like 3 weeks and it was an amazing experience. Did anyone else here help with the clean up and rebuild after either of these hurricanes
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The next step in chipping away at Mr.elder relative
by SeymourButts inso, as you know, last weekend i provided some info to an elder relative of mine regarding 607. .
i am going to give him a couple weeks to research everything i brought up to him.
i don't expect him to fully accept what i said, but there is no doubt that there will be some questions in his head as to why things don't add up.
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he will just revert back to the new light belief! My how the org has grown since those things were published the light is certainly getting brighter. To get a strong elder to think you basically have a couple of choices that might raise an eyebrow. These are 607 and the UN thing and even then he will probably be satisfied with the "we had to join to have access to the library" excuse. A person has to already see that something just doesnt seem right or all the negative things that you come up with about the org will simply bounce off of him or make his beliefs stronger. He probably was confused about the 607 info that you shared with him and then realized that obviously satan had gotten to him through you. He may tell you to get lost.