Thanks guys for the help in responding. I did copy and paste from various posts so I really, really appreciate it! I will not post to her again cuz I know im wasting my time.
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Help me respond to this lady im tired of messing with her. U write I send
by PaNiCAtTaCk ini have mostly addressed 1914 problems but she has ignored everything i sent.
i have to go to work help me send her something.
our conversation ignited from a post on the jw roofing blog.
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Help me respond to this lady im tired of messing with her. U write I send
by PaNiCAtTaCk ini have mostly addressed 1914 problems but she has ignored everything i sent.
i have to go to work help me send her something.
our conversation ignited from a post on the jw roofing blog.
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I have mostly addressed 1914 problems but she has ignored everything I sent. I have to go to work help me send her something. Our conversation ignited from a post on the JW roofing blog.
You still didn't answer my question of who do we go away to? You say your decision to leave Jehovah's witnesses left you on your own. How can you obey the admonition not to forsake the gathering together with fellowbelievers?
What do you say to the people who doubted the WT literature that said certain kings lived in Bible times but the research books all said they could not have lived because of the existing worldly evidence? Now, 50 years later the worldly scholars have found the efidence that the WT literature didn't need because they simply believed the Bible.
God needs a large organization to handle the mammoth warning work that is prophesied to be done earthwide. The Mormons have a giant organization but they are doing no warning work.
Comparing the Book of Mormon to the Watchtower is like comparing the dust bag from your vacuum cleaner to a banquet of fresh food. I have read it and discussed it with my Mormon cousins who spend every Saturday night getting baptized for dead people.
There is no place to go. And there is plenty to critisize. But as for me and my household, we will serve Jehovah with the only people on earth who recognize his soverignty.
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Jwitness roofing service blog overun with JW! Go make a comment! Plantseed
by PaNiCAtTaCk inhere is the link.
copy and paste and post.
here is an actual post from a jw.
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IT TOOK A DAY AND A HALF FOR MY MESSAGE TO SHOW UP. IVE ONLY HAVE ONE RESPOND TO ME BUT WEVE BEEN HAVING A GOOD CONVERSATION. IM SUPRISED I ONLY GOT 1 RESONSE I GUESS NOBODY LIKE TO TALK ABOUT CHRONOLOGY PROBLEMS BEHIND 1914!
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Blatantly deceitful use of secular sources
by AuldSoul ini am looking good repository of instances where the watchtower or awake!
have quoted secular sources in such a way to make it appear the source supports their argument when it is blatantly obvious that the secular source disagreed with them.
if it doesn't exist, i am about to make one.
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The quoutes about the cross blew my and my wifes mind. It was completely dishonest.
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Jwitness roofing service blog overun with JW! Go make a comment! Plantseed
by PaNiCAtTaCk inhere is the link.
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here is an actual post from a jw.
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undercover: I posted my comment after reading your first post on the topic. Since then the JW's have really taken over. I suggest everyone going over and posting something. We shouldnt attack what they are doing for people but insert something else. I tackled the problem with our chronology myself.
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Jwitness roofing service blog overun with JW! Go make a comment! Plantseed
by PaNiCAtTaCk inhere is the link.
copy and paste and post.
here is an actual post from a jw.
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here is the link. copy and paste and post. I did! Here is an actual post from a JW. Most of the time there emails are provided. I already had 1 witness email me at home.
http://risingfromruin.msnbc.com/2005/10/jehovahs_roofin.html
When Jesus was on the earth he did care for peoples’ physical needs. But what he focused on was their spiritual needs, because he knew that curing sickness or resurrecting was only a temporary fix. It would only be by means of the Kingdom that physical needs would be cared for permanently. Therefore, while we do assist people with physical/material needs where necessary and appropriate, the focus of our work is on people’s spiritual needs. Jesus commanded his followers to carry out this work. And we use Jesus as our model.
Those who have only negative things to say about us, do you know that you have us thank for many of the civil liberties you enjoy today? In standing up for our rights to worship and have our beliefs respected (i.e., no blood transfusions) we have helped many organizations that we don’t particularly agree with. But you won’t find any of us lobbying or attempting to bar these groups from benefiting from the legal precedent that we set.
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My son asked P.O. wife what she was wearing for halloween today at Walmart!
by PaNiCAtTaCk inim assuming this is finally it for me and my family.. i havent been to a meeting in probably 2 and a half months but im just considered weak by most i presume.
i had decided to let my son go trick or treating for the first time this year, after all my wife and i decided to raise him as a normal kid.
so last month when he came home from school and said to us "someone asked me at school what i as going to be for halloween and i told them batman", i just said "oh really" and acted excited for him.
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Like some here have suggested, I have NO plans on letting them in my home or meeting with them at the Hall. My family and I are moving on with our lives and we feel comfident about it. I dont need to explain anything to the Elders. The Walmart episode was only done as a favor to a person I cared about. That is the last time I try to explain why I left to anyone. Although I do have alot of family that dont know our feelings yet and they may inquire and try to save me.
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My son asked P.O. wife what she was wearing for halloween today at Walmart!
by PaNiCAtTaCk inim assuming this is finally it for me and my family.. i havent been to a meeting in probably 2 and a half months but im just considered weak by most i presume.
i had decided to let my son go trick or treating for the first time this year, after all my wife and i decided to raise him as a normal kid.
so last month when he came home from school and said to us "someone asked me at school what i as going to be for halloween and i told them batman", i just said "oh really" and acted excited for him.
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Im assuming this is finally it for me and my family.
I havent been to a meeting in probably 2 and a half months but Im just considered weak by most I presume. I had decided to let my son go trick or treating for the first time this year, After all my wife and I decided to raise him as a normal kid.
So last month when he came home from school and said to us "someone asked me at school what I as going to be for halloween and I told them Batman", I just said "oh really" and acted excited for him. Today I took him with me to Walmart while my wife was still at work and bought a bunch of candy just in case some children stopped by my home. I dodged one witness from the Hall without really being seen and then continued on.
When I got far away from her I told my son that if we see some of our friends from the kingdom hall dont say anything to them about halloween because they dont like halloween. He told me ok.
Well I then run into this guy that I witnessed to before and were visiting about his animals ect. and then I see the presiding overseers wife pushing her buggie up to mine. I could already feel the beads of sweat forming on my head. Once she got to my buggie she stopped and started visiting with my son while I was trying to end my conversation with this other guy. About the same time Im saying bye to the gentleman my son pops off "So what are you going to wear for halloween this year?" I could have passed out and died!!
The sister immedietly said "Well Ill see you later and started pushing the buggy a hundred miles and hour away from us. I quickly blurted out her name and said "I need to tell you something!"
To make a long story short I just told her with confidence that We dont believe its the truth anymore and that we are not claiming to be JW's any longer. I told her that at this time we are not looking to organized religion but only to Christ. She mentioned that Im an adult and that I have to make my own decisions but she knows that we are very close to the end and when the end comes I will be either on one side or the other.
I simply told her that the wt beliefs are based on false chronology and that I couldnt in good conscience teach it to my son. She then said that It had been proven and that she had researched it. I then told her "no you havent!" you cant even research both sides of the issue. The difference between you and I is that I can read anything and consider both sides of every issue and you cant, and your not allowed to look outside a Watchtower
. She then told me that she knows its the truth cuz she has felt Jehovah personally help her during bad times. I realized that I was upsetting her so I just told her that I would never want to destroy her faith or take that away from her. I ended our brief conversation by atelling her 'now that you know how we feel pass it on." She told me she would.
So now I wonder what will happen? I wonder how quick they will contact me. My wife and I are trying to decide whether to send our dis letter or not. After some of the advice on here we had decided that fading would be better for us because we have lots of witness family that will shun us. Especially if we dis ourselves. But if they are going to disfellowship me anyway I would rather disassociate myself. I have disassociation letters written Ive just never mailed them yet. Right before I was giong to mail them the presiding overseer had a stroke so I left it alone. After all I really cared alot for this couple and had spent many hours with them in the ministry and at there house. I just feel kinda crapy because this wasnt the way all this was supposed to come out. She will view this situation as "Well Jehovah is cleaning house. Jehovah always makes things known!" Brother ********* Just couldnt live up to our high standards of conduct and would rather partake in Pagan celebrations! I felt kinda bad after I left. Not because of my stance but, just because I know that I let someone down that I really cared about.
My son did love trick or treating and had a blast. We enjoyed going with him and watching him have so much fun. I will admit though that throughout the night I had waves of emotions hitting me. Mostly fear and Guilt of doing something terribly wrong. Years of indoctrination is hard to kill even with a mountain of books and support. Oh well good night!
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Outright Lie in the Reasoning Book
by PaNiCAtTaCk inunder the topic "are jehovahs witnesses a sect or a cult?
the last sentence of the first paragraph says "they do not look to any human, but rather to jesus christ, as their leader.".
if an active witness were to make this exact statement to an elder, he or she would throw up a red flag!
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I agree with what this person said----->>>>>>"I would say that yes, the Reasoning Book is lying on this, because everyone here knows that if it comes down to a choice between following Jesus' teachings and following the Governing Body's teachings, the latter takes precendent over all."
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Outright Lie in the Reasoning Book
by PaNiCAtTaCk inunder the topic "are jehovahs witnesses a sect or a cult?
the last sentence of the first paragraph says "they do not look to any human, but rather to jesus christ, as their leader.".
if an active witness were to make this exact statement to an elder, he or she would throw up a red flag!
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I never said that the JW are a cult. I did say that these 2 paragraphs are misleading. Your analogy of the Catholic faith/ WT is correct in my opinion. For the Wt to say we only look to Jesus and no man is misleading. Everyone knows that Jesus is using The WT and only through the WT can we get salvation. Dont forget they inserted themselves in the babtism questions. Spirit directed organization = Men