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  If the Watch Tower Society discontinued shunning.... new survey!!

  by cedars in

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  i'm pleased to announce that juan viejo2 has launched a new mini-survey on jwsurvey.org.

  the survey tackles the premise that the society might one day abandon shunning (at least between family members) and asks: what effect might this have on us?.

  the survey is primarily targeted at df'd/da'd and active jws, although there is one question applicable to all, which asks simply whether you agree with the practice of shunning.. there are only a handful of questions, so if you feel inclined, please do visit and take the survey on the link below:.

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  I think you're right, Cedars. If they abolished shunning there would likely be a mass exodus and they know it.

  ~Binadub
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  Where To By Crisis of Conscience

  by binadub in

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  maybe this information has surfaced here before, but if so it is worth repeating periodically:.

  a couple weeks ago i was shocked after doing a google search for crisis of conscience when it brought up amazon with four distributors selling the book in soft-cover for collector prices between $169.95 us to over $650, with only 4 copies available.

  hard cover was not available new, and used copies were being sold for over $50-75.

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  Sic Semper Tyrannis:

  Cynthia could rightly say it was Ray's business because she had little to do with it business wise. She was the classic domestic wife. After Ray's untimely death, she had no ability to run Commentary Press and dispose of the inventory much less manage an on-going publishing of the literature they were involved with. Friends are helping Cynthia, and they arranged for Amazon to take over the sale and future printing of the books, which might not have been possible a few years ago before "on demand" publishing came to the fore. Amazon get a cut as does Cynthia, which gives her a little added income in her old age.

  Watson:

  It's good when you can get the books at the library. The problem is that the books have a tendency to get "lost" (stolen?) from public libraries.

  ~Binadub
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  If the Watch Tower Society discontinued shunning.... new survey!!

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm pleased to announce that juan viejo2 has launched a new mini-survey on jwsurvey.org.

  the survey tackles the premise that the society might one day abandon shunning (at least between family members) and asks: what effect might this have on us?.

  the survey is primarily targeted at df'd/da'd and active jws, although there is one question applicable to all, which asks simply whether you agree with the practice of shunning.. there are only a handful of questions, so if you feel inclined, please do visit and take the survey on the link below:.

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  Oops, I see the petition was aleady brought to attention by mind-blown. Good info in that thread.

  ~Binadub
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  If the Watch Tower Society discontinued shunning.... new survey!!

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm pleased to announce that juan viejo2 has launched a new mini-survey on jwsurvey.org.

  the survey tackles the premise that the society might one day abandon shunning (at least between family members) and asks: what effect might this have on us?.

  the survey is primarily targeted at df'd/da'd and active jws, although there is one question applicable to all, which asks simply whether you agree with the practice of shunning.. there are only a handful of questions, so if you feel inclined, please do visit and take the survey on the link below:.

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  Cedars and all:

  Apologies if this has been posted, I only have time for selective reading here.

  There is a petition at Whitehouse.gov to protect Americans from dangerous cults by removing tax exemption status. The petition is quite brief and states in part:

  "Dangerous cults promote using shunning to coerce their members to blindly follow what the organization’s leadership orders and to coerce unrepentant former members. Members must shun unrepentant current and/or former members, as if they are dead."

  CLICK HERE

  ~Binabud
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  Where To By Crisis of Conscience

  by binadub in

  1. jw
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  maybe this information has surfaced here before, but if so it is worth repeating periodically:.

  a couple weeks ago i was shocked after doing a google search for crisis of conscience when it brought up amazon with four distributors selling the book in soft-cover for collector prices between $169.95 us to over $650, with only 4 copies available.

  hard cover was not available new, and used copies were being sold for over $50-75.

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  That wouldn't work now, Sic Semper Tyrannis: Amazon has printing rights and when the supply is gone, they "print on demand." The prices should remain for a long time. Good thinking though . . . ;-) (They presently out of paperbacks, but they get them in again later.)

  ~Binadub
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  Where To By Crisis of Conscience

  by binadub in

  1. jw
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  maybe this information has surfaced here before, but if so it is worth repeating periodically:.

  a couple weeks ago i was shocked after doing a google search for crisis of conscience when it brought up amazon with four distributors selling the book in soft-cover for collector prices between $169.95 us to over $650, with only 4 copies available.

  hard cover was not available new, and used copies were being sold for over $50-75.

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  Sorry folks, the abbreviated hyperlink does not work on this. You have to type that into the URL field verbatim.
  Try this again:

  http://www.amazon.com/shops/AVFZGPUNCYB1T

  Hope it works now.

  ~Binadub
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  Where To By Crisis of Conscience

  by binadub in

  1. jw
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  maybe this information has surfaced here before, but if so it is worth repeating periodically:.

  a couple weeks ago i was shocked after doing a google search for crisis of conscience when it brought up amazon with four distributors selling the book in soft-cover for collector prices between $169.95 us to over $650, with only 4 copies available.

  hard cover was not available new, and used copies were being sold for over $50-75.

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  binadub

  Maybe this information has surfaced here before, but if so it is worth repeating periodically:

  A couple weeks ago I was shocked after doing a Google search for Crisis of Conscience when it brought up Amazon with four distributors selling the book in soft-cover for collector prices between $169.95 US to over $650, with only 4 copies available. Hard cover was not available new, and used copies were being sold for over $50-75. What is amazing is that the link to Cynthia Franz through Amazon was not referenced. Maybe some of the problem with Amazon and those linked book dealers has now been corrected, although I still see it difficult to find Cynthia Franz's link on Amazon by doing an Internet search.

  HERE IS WHERE TO ORDER: Crisis of Conscience, In Search of Christian Freedom, and Gentile Times Reconsidered:

  http://www.amazon.com/shops/AVFZGPUNCYB1T (Case sensitive)

  If you have never read Gentile Times Reconsidered, you might want to consider it. It tells the story of how Carl Olof Jonsson, a loyal JW "pioneer" in Sweden (1960s), was questioned by a householder about the 1914 chronology, so he decided to study it for himself. He researched between 1968 and 1975, as his compiled data revealed the WTS's chronology was seriously flawed.
  Thinking the WT leadership would appreciate his findings, he wrote to the Society in '77 and presented the overwhelmng evidence. The result was that he got disfellowshipped, and it began the "apostate" housecleaning in the leadership at WT headquarters that eventually got Ed Dunlap, as well as others eliminated at Brooklyn and eventually Ray Franz. That critical information might never have been published if not for the so-called cleansing action taken by Fred Franz. Adding to the failed 1975 predictions, that study can be credited with beginning the events that seem to have initially triggered the decline of the Watchtower religion, which has snowballed over the years into the eventual demise we see occurring today that Cedars recently brought into focus.

  ~Binadub
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  "My Christian Quest", by Ron Frye -----I just finished reading. GOOD!!!

  by garybuss in

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  i just finished reading "my christian quest, from jehovah's witness to son of god", by ron frye.

  this is easily one of the best new books i've read in a while.

  ron was a pioneer, a special pioneer, and a circuit servant.

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  RayPublisher:

  I had not heard that Ron is ill. Serious?

  Thanks for the info.
  
  ~Binadub
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  An old post from James-Woods on Freddy's LUST FOR POWER - a shocker

  by Dogpatch in

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  i was just going through some old files to delete and i ran across this one from our own beloved james_woods: .

  there is another negative character aspect about freddy that ed dunlap once related to me.

  freddy was practically crazed with the desire to be president of the wt society.

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  Randy: I always suspected that Freddy's hostility toward his nephew stemmed from Ray's involvement in getting the Governing Body to be a governing body rather than just a mask for legal appearances.
  What that accomplished was taking what was essentially sole power away from the one (WT president) and giving the body members equal voting rights (if I understand it). This robbed Freddy of what he wanted most as WT president--sole authority. (Actually he did gain almost the equivalent in influence over the rest of them from what appears.)

  Even though Crisis of Conscience does reveal quite a bit of expose' of the older Fred Franz, don't you think there is deafening silence of omission about his involvement in getting Ray disfellowshipped? He cleaverly stayed in the background while the others carried out the logistics of the deed and were obliged to take the credit.

  My brother who was an elder and CO, never shunned me nor did his JW family. My parents were never JWs. Brother was one of the first COs to attend a 2-week school at Bethel for COs in the 1980s. He told me that his lunch table was joined one day by Albert Schroeder, and my brother had asked about the Ray Franz disfellowshipping. Schroeder told him that the decision to disfellowship Ray had been made before Ray ever left Bethel. The reason they gave Ray $10,000(or whatever it was) to settle when he left Bethel was on the advice of their attorneys because if he accepted it he could never come back on them or sue for any retirement or compensation for all the years he had served in the upper hierarchy. I told Ray what my brother had told me and he didn't believe it at first, but I think he eventually realized it must be true. (My brother was not aware of my personal friendship with the Franzes, only that I no longer believed the religion.)
  My point here is that you KNOW that Fred Franz had to have been very much involved in getting Ray disfellowshipped (for revenge imo), even though Ray's book gives only the proveable facts of the those members visibly involved. Fred Franz was the one behind the whole thing imo.

  ~Binadub (aka Ros)
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  1966 Book : Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God

  by binadub in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  somewhat of a turning point occurred for me in 1966 when life everlasting in freedom of the sons of god book was released at the assemblies that year.

  this you may know was the book that calculated 1975 would end 6000 years of humanity on earth possibly leaving the "thousand years" of revelation to complete the 7000-year "creative day.

  " jehovah's witnesses jumped on this implication as "new light" with enormous enthusiasm.

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  Aussie Oz: That's precisely what I realized he was saying (the WT interpreter, not the metaphoric Genesis). Adam "had only one law" against eating, so it would not have been a sin if he had chosen a chimp for a mate.

  What bothered me more than the writer's ridiculous interpretation of what was not written was the fact that I seemed to be the only one in the congregation who noticed this insanity. They were all too focused on the 1975 speculation.

  ~Binadub