hey Bliss - good to hear from you again.
I guess one thing's for sure regardless of all that's been said on this thread: You will find out one way or the other sooner or later. All the best!
Posts by steve2
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by BLISSISIGNORANCE in........................expressed the desire to meet for coffee or lunch, seeing as though we work so close to eachother.. i must say it was quite a surprise.
this sister is older and been a dub for much longer than i ever was.
she wasn't one of my close friends either, so the email had me curious while also pleasantly surprised.. i replied and we met yesterday for lunch.. she embraced me and we hugged.
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KM in 1974 praising people for selling all their stuff and pioneering?
by ithinkisee insomeone on this site mentioned they got a km off ebay that praised those that sold all their belongings and preached.. does anyone know which km that was?.
interesting, when going through the society's cd-rom i noticed that the drama for the district convention in 1975 was about noah's ark and was something along the lines of "there's still time left!
" (i'm paraphrasing).. -dm
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They do not claim that their predictions are direct revelations from Jehovah and that in this sense they are prophesying in Jehovah?s name. Hence, in such cases, when their words do not come true, they should not be viewed as false prophets
A clever fail-safe clause that, in the governing body's eyes, lets them off the hook. I wonder what criteria they would ever use to identify whether anything they've uttered could ever be viewed as a false prophecy.
In 1972, my grandfather, who became a JW in the early 1930s, said to me that he knew the end was real close because the Watchtower articles had an urgency that he had never before seen in the literature. His favourite phrase was, "Now's the time!" He was not a man given to exaggerated talk, so I really believed we'd be seeing the end in months. Given the steady diet of writing in the watchtower encouraging such a view, it's no wonder JWs as a whole had a sense that "Now's the time".
Funny how all that orchestrated urgency silently dissipated shortly after 1975 passed. The pinnacle of deceitful cleverness, however, was yet to come: The Watchtower's sneaky little comments about "brothers" getting carried away and expecting more of 1975 than was ever directly stated. Blame the JWs for what happened. That is the height of hypocrisy and arrogance (i.e, knowingly blaming "weak" brothers rather than humbly admitting the governing body as a whole used the 1975 teaching to further the organization's mission).
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KM in 1974 praising people for selling all their stuff and pioneering?
by ithinkisee insomeone on this site mentioned they got a km off ebay that praised those that sold all their belongings and preached.. does anyone know which km that was?.
interesting, when going through the society's cd-rom i noticed that the drama for the district convention in 1975 was about noah's ark and was something along the lines of "there's still time left!
" (i'm paraphrasing).. -dm
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Ooops. I saw the first quote and assumed the second one was also for 67.
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KM in 1974 praising people for selling all their stuff and pioneering?
by ithinkisee insomeone on this site mentioned they got a km off ebay that praised those that sold all their belongings and preached.. does anyone know which km that was?.
interesting, when going through the society's cd-rom i noticed that the drama for the district convention in 1975 was about noah's ark and was something along the lines of "there's still time left!
" (i'm paraphrasing).. -dm
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Plan to shower people with magazines during these last months of this dying system of things!
Written in 1967!!! "These last months of this dying system of things".
Yet another vivid example of how the Watchtower backs itself into the corner....and then blames its critics because the walls prevent a dignified escape!
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Watchtower Aug. 15, 1968 says to ignore Jesus about tthe time of the end..
by AloneinOh intalking about 1975 and the push by the society got me to looking at some older quotes.
this one here really bugged me and still pisses me off when i read it.
in this instance they are telling you to forget about jesus and listen to the society.
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I always wondered why the last sentence was included, italicizing knows.
I remember this quote so well, yet for years I wondered where exactly I had read it in the Watchtower publications. I seem to recollect that some (brothers?) had been accused by the watchtower of saying that because no one knows the day or hour, why were we as JWs emphasising in effect that we do know that we're in the last days. I assumed it was to rub in the difference between our not knowing the exact day or hour, but still knowing these were the last days.
It all sounds so specious and dim now. But to think that it was reasoning like this that I had to endure as a young JW "toying" with the faint prospect of getting a university education. "No" I was told by my JW family - who spoke as one - "We'll be in the new system before you would graduate". End of story, but, frustratingly for them I suspect, not the end of the world.
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OK, So I'm thinking about becoming a witness.
by MarkAnthony ini was raised roman catholic but stopped going about 25 years ago.
i was talking with someone i work with who is a jw and suggested i might look into it.
so here i am.............
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Our culture (American) has a strangly obsessive love/hate relationship with sex anyway.
I think mark anthony may be till tuned in. How could he not given the trend on this thread! The above comment would apply to Western countries in general - although I would guess that the United States probably has the most extremes (e.g., conservative southern states and the "liberated" Californians).
In modern societies, there's a kind of hush-hush sexual squeamishness side by side with an almost infantile curiosity (e.g., all those "heated" watchtower articles on what married couples could and could not do and "restrained" and ever so polite meetings with elders and young guilty witness youth going over the details of their sexual indiscretions. Talk about the repression and the sexually charged atmosphere!
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KM in 1974 praising people for selling all their stuff and pioneering?
by ithinkisee insomeone on this site mentioned they got a km off ebay that praised those that sold all their belongings and preached.. does anyone know which km that was?.
interesting, when going through the society's cd-rom i noticed that the drama for the district convention in 1975 was about noah's ark and was something along the lines of "there's still time left!
" (i'm paraphrasing).. -dm
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It brought me tears (literally) to my eyes when I read this thread. Luckily I didn't caught up in all this! I was about -4 or 5!
Nice to hear from you. I was a teenager at the time so the "loss" for me was primarily in delaying my tertiary education. At least I didn't lose a house!!!
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WOW!!! interesting response from my dad
by jaredg inrecently my father and i have been arguing over scriptual interpretation getting nowhere so i wrote him this email to see what his reaction would be...check it out!!.
here is my email to him...maybe we should take a break from these conversations on.
interpretation of scripture.
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Hey Jared: Just do it - your relationship with your father is important and boy, he sounds like a good, loving father. I'd like to know how things turn out for you - so I'm hoping we'll still hear from you.
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A sister emailed me and................................
by BLISSISIGNORANCE in........................expressed the desire to meet for coffee or lunch, seeing as though we work so close to eachother.. i must say it was quite a surprise.
this sister is older and been a dub for much longer than i ever was.
she wasn't one of my close friends either, so the email had me curious while also pleasantly surprised.. i replied and we met yesterday for lunch.. she embraced me and we hugged.
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All she said was, "it's fine, no one will know about this. Besides, I'm ready to hear these things."
She may very well mean it! But I think that, even out of good intentions, she may begin to worry about what you've said and talk it over with another "trusted" JW who will tell her to back off from you and let others "help" you.
There is a familiar pattern here of genuinely concerned JWs appearing to take on board what others say. These genuine JWs go away, mull it over, begin to feel some reactive emotions such as guilt and fear, open up to other JWs and....goodbye genuinely concerned JW!!
I hope I'm wrong and will be "thrilled" (now there's a good JW adjective) if she continues to talk with you. Keep us posted, please!
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OK, So I'm thinking about becoming a witness.
by MarkAnthony ini was raised roman catholic but stopped going about 25 years ago.
i was talking with someone i work with who is a jw and suggested i might look into it.
so here i am.............
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Im just curious as to why this thread is still going?
I assumed it was because a friend in need entered the thread and started making some comments that provoked another round of responses. Also, I thought that the person who started the thread might be browsing through the answers and not feel the need to reply. I did that for a while when I used to browse through this forum.