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wonderland bbc2 wed evening its about armageddon

by looloo in

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many of them believe this is their last chance to se e the holy land before judgementday ,they are ordinary people , mainly americans and thats what interests me , i want to find out why people choose to adopt such an extreme belief , says david.

do you think the dubs will be allowed to watch this ?

they think they are the only ones that teach armageddon so they must be curious .

Gill

It's a very sad phenomenon.

There is a evangelical couple who live up the road from me with two young children aged 3 and 9. They want to move to Israel as soon as possible as they believe that a nuclear war is due to start in Israel very soon and that is why they need to be there....to see the Salvation of God! They think the fiery descriptions of Armagedon in Revelation must mean nuclear holocaust.

Why would anyone in their right minds want to take their children somewhere that they expected nuclear war to begin in at any time?

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The Spread of Muslims in Europe

by serotonin_wraith in

the spread of muslims in europe.

it seems inevitable that a hundred or two hundred years from now, the majority of people in europe will be muslim.

this is based on the number of children they are having compared to non muslims, and the presumption that they will be told from a very early age they are muslim too, and taught to believe the same things as their parents.

Gill

It is commendable and laudable that we have so many on this board who would wish to stand up and protect the rank and file Muslim people who are in effect victims of their religious beliefs in the same way that Jehovah's Witnesses are victims of their religious beliefs.

To a greater extent than the JWs the Islam faith uses mind control and family pressure to FORCE absolute obedience.

However, it is the radicals and extremists that we do have to fear as they are the ones that pull the strings on their victims, the rank and file Muslims.

So, this thread is NOT Muslim bashing as some may appear to believe, BUT we do accept that the Christian faith has been guilty of atrocities in the past and is still guilty of warring in Iraq and Afghanistan in the past and present.

BUT, by sheer power of democracy, once the birth rate of our Muslim brothers overtakes our own, as it is beginning to do now, the western world will be 'democratically correct' to vote in Sharia Law and Muslim states every.

Surely, that is something we have a right to say we do not want.

In Algeria in 1992 - 1995 young women were dragged off the beaches in their swim suits and raped, hung from lamp posts and beheaded simply for their disgraceful behaviour for wearing swim suits. Whole families of Algerian christians, men women and children even babies were beheaded.

Do we want Sharia Law? Do we want the Muslim faith to become the dominant faith that by sheer democratic law can be permitted to over take us.

I pity the victims of Islam, those in, those not in and those afraid of the potential growth of an evil cult that proves itself in the second chapter of the Koran that claims 'A woman is worth half of a man.'

That in itself says everything and that is why we have a lot to fear.

Remembering always that the Muslims are VICTIMS also and deserve our support and sympathy!

I only hope that the Internet can do for the Victims of Islam what it is beginning to do for the victims of the JW cult!

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The Spread of Muslims in Europe

by serotonin_wraith in

the spread of muslims in europe.

it seems inevitable that a hundred or two hundred years from now, the majority of people in europe will be muslim.

this is based on the number of children they are having compared to non muslims, and the presumption that they will be told from a very early age they are muslim too, and taught to believe the same things as their parents.

Gill

Frankiespeakin - 'The Thin end of the wedge' is an interesting development in any change.

In the UK last week the government decided that Muslim men who have more than one wife are permitted to claim state benefits for each of their wives and children in each marriage. British men and women DO NOT have this right!

In the UK, this is something I recently posted on, Muslims are demanding separate toilets from the rest of the community. The local university has had to pay a small fortune so that Muslims could have their own facilities and local factories are under pressure to do the same.

The Muslims have separate rights and DEMAND separate and potentially superior treatment to the rest of the population..... at least their vocal minority do!

Church bells are banned from ringing so as not to 'disturb' the local population yet Mosques cannot be banned from calling to prayer.

Who has better treatment in the UK?

Are you so sure that the Muslims will not become the majority in the UK?

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The Spread of Muslims in Europe

by serotonin_wraith in

the spread of muslims in europe.

it seems inevitable that a hundred or two hundred years from now, the majority of people in europe will be muslim.

this is based on the number of children they are having compared to non muslims, and the presumption that they will be told from a very early age they are muslim too, and taught to believe the same things as their parents.

Gill

Frankiespeakin - If you go back to what I said, I did say that oppression and lack of education WAS and IS the cause of such hatred by Muslims against the West and I didn't say that Bush and Blair were good in what they have done to Iraq.

I am concerned that you think I am 'over reacting' to what Islam can do to women.

You'll be just fine if you're a man. You won't have to wear 'head gear' be in 'subjection' be worth half of a man, be 'guilty' if sexually assaulted or raped, not allowed to drive, generally oppressed, so why should YOU care?! Basically, it matters nothing to men as it doesn't affect them and puts them in greater position of power. The fact that you would consider my response to Islam, which I will admit is loaded with FEAR simply because I see how they treat women already, but that you would brush it off in such a manner is a sad reflection that the majority, not all, but the majority of men will not care what happens to women anyway and the fact that we may already FEAR Islam for GOOD reason, is a reflection on your attitude which I think you might be good enough to adjust if you put yourself for one moment in the place of a woman and women in general.

Would you want to be worth half of a woman?

Westernised Islamic women who support Islam need to look at Afghanistan, Saudi Arabi and other Islamic states and consider if that is what they want for themselves and their daughters. Oppression, sexual assault and degradation does not exist to a lesser extent in these countries simply because the women are dressed in Burkas. These crimes are simply ignored and brushed under the carpet and considered the 'fault' of the women involved.

I would die rather than live under Islam.

The fact you consider this as irrelevant should cause you to think about why you might consider women as so insignificant yourself as to not respect the fears that I express which I know are the fears of many hundreds and thousands of women who have become used to being at least the value of 3 /4 of man in the Western World even if not quite equal yet!!

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The Spread of Muslims in Europe

by serotonin_wraith in

the spread of muslims in europe.

it seems inevitable that a hundred or two hundred years from now, the majority of people in europe will be muslim.

this is based on the number of children they are having compared to non muslims, and the presumption that they will be told from a very early age they are muslim too, and taught to believe the same things as their parents.

Gill

For the very reason Justhuman points out, religious war is shockingly inevitable!

You can smell the blood in the air and there is no where to run.

But so is the course of human history for uncoutnable thousands upon thousands of years and those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

Treat anyone unfairly and they will seek revenge and Palestine is the breeding pot of unhappiness and injustice. Lack of education with a very hearty shake of religious intolerance and you have a bomb ready to blow.

The powers that be know what is going to happen. A lot of them have studied history and can already see the course of events that will follow. Security is coming down on everyone like a strangle hold that is already choking the life out of our freedoms.

We are already at war, and there is no where to run and no where not affected.

I'm reminded of stories such as 'The Hand Maid's Tale' and am afraid that women are going to be the first ones to 'get it' in one way or another.

The world's going mad and we can't stop it!

Five years ago when I first left the WT world I sensed great freedom but I don't believe that freedom will exist for much longer. I can't see us holding back the tide of the majority, which means in the UK eventually the majority will be Muslim, whether we like it or not and my daughters and grand daughters will be oppressed back into the stone age.......with no where to run!

It's easy for men to sit at their computers arguing the niceties of 'religious intolerance' and saying unpleasant things to eachother about whether they are nice to the Muslim faith or not.

To women, the story is different. Men's freedoms will more or less remain unaltered.

Women will immeadiately lose their value by half, their freedoms, thier hopes and aspirations and become chattle again as we were hundreds of years ago and all you can do is argue about who is intolerant towards the Muslim faith.

Get a grip and realise that the women you care about are. potentially in the future, to become absolutely nothing, invisible, child bearing machines allowed no mind or freedoms of their own.

Personally, I would rather die than live under an Islamic state and I don't think I am the only one.

The majority sadly rule, and the majority are Islamic! The R and F Muslims are the salt of the earth as are the R and F of most communities. But they don't make the rules. It's the fanatics at the top who make the rules and they are the ones with the power, the guns and the bombs.

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From Rutherford -2008 Watchtower ="dont have kid's till after Armagedon!"

by Witness 007 in

yes i thought rutherford's policy on kid's was dead and the society had wised up....until i read the new "witnesses only" watchtower study magazine...compare.. rutherford's last book "children" 1942 = p.281 "wait until after armagedon to bring children into the world...it is only afew years before the other sheep are gathered to the lord, until armagedon...those with infants during armagedon will have greater woe...it would be a far greater difficulty to care for them during the tribulation.".

watchtower 2008 april 15 p.19 {picture of a middle aged couple witnessing with question: why do some christian couples decide not to have children?

} paragraph 12 "single or childless for a noble purpose.....numerous couples have decided to remain childless....they often do so to remain freer to serve jehovah...they are willing to place kingdom interests above some of the privileges that go with marriage...jehovah will not forget their work, and the love they show for his name...there will be a great tribulation...doubtless, it will be a difficult time for all of us-adults and children alike.".

Gill

Perhaps they have a point - just for the wrong reason.

The world, is becoming a seriously crazy place and is way too over populated.

Food is beginning to rise in price and the era of cheap food is over for good, in western countries.

Here in the UK, you go to the shops and find that though the government is claiming 2.5 % inflation, a lot of food items have risen by 30 - 40 %.

If we are going to have to rely on bio fuels that means valuable farm land will be turned over to growing bio fuel crops!

Perhaps those of us who have children will be sad to see them hungry.

We're relatively well of and we're struggling to provide the food as the price of absolutely everything has rocketed. We're struggling with electricity and gas prices, rising council taxes etc

So, though the WT motives are total baloney, the world is in a frightening change period and anything could happen......non Armagedon related, that is!

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ORIGIN OF SPECIES FREE IN SATURAY'S GUARDIAN

by badboy in

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just to let you know.

Gill

Awakened - As much as I take and agree with your point, I was not saying that the ancient scientists were not as intelligent or advanced as the scientists we have now and that as over hundreds and hundreds of thousands of years the human race as fallen and risen so have changes occured in how we 'explain' our origins and yet evolution remains a constant even from the distant mythologies that have survived.

I did not mean that evolution is pagan just that the way that the message is carried may be stories as writings do not survive only oral traditions.

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ORIGIN OF SPECIES FREE IN SATURAY'S GUARDIAN

by badboy in

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just to let you know.

Gill

Darwin plagurised the 'evolution' idea from the ancient egyptians and possibly other ancient mythological beliefs who believed that the human race had evolved from plants. But evolution is a fact, but one that is not always obvious because of the great and unimaginable lengths of time involved and the relatively short existence of each human being.

Infact, many ancient societies / religions believed that the human race evolved very slowly from trees and our lypmphatic drainage system, and fibrous texture of animal kinds muscle and pourous texture of bone can make you wonder whether they really did have a point.....in some bizarre fashion. The main difference between animal and plant cells is the cell wall and also plant cells are simpler in some respects but other than that, a cell is still a cell adapted for a different use.

Ancient, and I mean really, really ancient going back to distant mythologies that have become convoluted in the myths of time, though believing in a 'creator' of kinds to start the life force off still believed in evolution though not in the way that we understand it today......more of a plant - animal evolution.

It is believed / rumoured that in Egypt is an underground cavern that holds sculptures of all the Pharoahs that ever existed and the furthur and more distantly back in time these sculptures go the more 'fibrous' and 'bark or tree like' are the sculptures.

Even Britain has the ancient mythological stories of humans once being trees and the gradual evolution of the human race.

Darwin simply noticed that change did and continues to happen. He may not have stumbled upon the full and more complicated possibilities that ancient civilisations recorded in their myths.

One thing that cannot be argued is that we NEED the plants to survive and that says a lot in itself. But plants do NOT need us!

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1914 and 1919 have to go!

by Mickey mouse in

i was reading an interesting thread in the "best of" sub forum about how the wbts are referring to 1914 less and less in the literature.

this thread was from 2001 (would love to paste the link here but i have serious technical difficulties with this site .

i definitely see the society using the "silent dropping" technique referenced by ray franz and expect to see 1914 discounted completely in the near future.

Gill

A FAct that the WT cannot deny is that 1914 was a very, very long time ago and 2014 is only six years away...... a hundred years of lies plus all the years before that!

Whether many old timer JWs will begin to see the 'big picture' will be interesting to see, and whether they can accept the reality of their having been conned....well that is another question altogether!

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Those who do not believe in intellient design and creation is brain dead!!

by Blackboo in

i am gonna keep it as simple as this...please answer this simple one question to you who do not believe in intelligent design.. but wait...you notice how evolution leaves out all the obvious details about the human body..which leads to my question how did man and woman evolved???

well my bible says god put man to sleep and took one of his ribs..and made woman.

whats your non god explanation...lol..i,ll wait..i need a good laugh tonight..

Gill

Yes, they IS! (not)