I would say that only the coolest ex-dubs hand out here.
The weather's always great.
I plan to buy a house here when I retire.
Posts by Gill
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17If You Wanted Someone To Join JWD, How Would You Describe This Place?
by minimus inthis board is the biggest jw discussion board that i know of.
i'm sure timid witnesses look here on a daily basis but do not join for various reasons.
i know some might not really know what to expect if they did become a member.
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Freedom or Bondage.....a Hard Choice for Many
by gumby inlately something has bothered me as regards to many on jwd who wonder what to do, once they have found the organisation to be a destructive, mind controling sect.
aside from these ones deciding how to exit without causing a judicial meeting nor a stir among the publishers, it whether or not they want to risk their marriage and or family ties.. many on this site have related how their marriage fell to pieces because the dub mate could not accept their loved one "leaving jehovah", and they could never meet in the middle to save the marriage.
others who leave, push their dub mate away by their constant verbal expressions against the organisation...because they think they should....hence, the marriage falls apart.. here's the hard part i don't know the answer to.
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Gill
I don't know if my example could be any help to you or any one else in making a decision but I don't think you should live a lie.
My husband after being quite depressed for a while and stand offish with me told me that he didn't want to go to the meetings any more and there would be no discussion about it. I could carry on if I wanted he didn't mind. I was shocked but relieved because I was afraid that something more serious was up. He used to help me get the children ready for the meeting and take us there.
Then one day, I was sitting in a sunday meeting, bored to tears and I just thought, What the bloody hell am I doing here listening to this crap. I realised that I didn't want to be there either and had never wanted to be there. That was the last meeting I ever went to, almost.
There followed a Tuesday group meeting, and my head and body knew I didn't want to be there as I could not stay in the group. I had to keep going out I was shaking so badly and felt so ill and nervous.
It's taken me years of counselling and therapy to break free from an organization that I always hated and that would never had happened if my husband had not made his stand. You can't always tell what your brainwashed marriage mate will do and how they will react, but if you treat them with love and kindness you may be surprised at the result.
Now we're both free and finally REALLY happy!
Good Luck!
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Do you know of any "baptized" JW's that committed suicide or attempted?
by booker-t ini remember one of my childhood friends was found dead and the police said he committed suicide.
i just could not believe it because my friend was a "devout" jw almost franatical about it.
now years later since i have seen both sides of the coin i am beginning to wonder if my friend did indeed kill himself.
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Gill
Yes, I remember two people. The first was a sister who had been publicly reproved for criticising an elder. In her suicide not she blamed her suicide on the depression caused by the elders picking on her and reproving her. The second was a brother who killed himself also after being reproved publicly.
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Name Things That You Can Be Counseled For
by minimus ini'll start.......a woman wearing a skirt higher than her knee and a child crying during a meeting
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Gill
I think I've probably told you this story before but I was in a congregation once where all the sisters were councelled for dribbling on the toilet seats by the circuit overseer, from the platform. His wife had complained to him about seeing wee on the toilet seat.
To help us incontinent sisters remember he told us a rhyme:
If by chance you need a widdle,
Make sure you don't leave a dribble!
Any way, at the time I was friends with a pioneer sister who just happened to go into the toilet after the CO's wife. Lo and behole what did she find. Yes, a dribble on the seat.
The pioneer told me about this offence the next day when we were on the service and we both laughed so much that we nearly wet our pants and ended up going home.
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Name Things That You Can Be Counseled For
by minimus ini'll start.......a woman wearing a skirt higher than her knee and a child crying during a meeting
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Gill
My cousin and her fiance were counselled for her sitting in the passenger seat whilst he was driving his car. They were told that in future if they were to be in a car together she had to sit in the back seat and if she was driving he would have to sit in the back seat.
When the fiance argued with the elder, (also known in our family as 'medallion man') he was told that as long as he was Presiding Overseer of the congregation he would make sure that the fiance never got any position of responsibility in the congregation. Apparantly my cousin and her fiance were setting a bad example for the elder's daughters. One had left the JW's years before, another went to live with her boyfriend and became pregnant and the third one, if you looked behind a bush you'd find her snogging one boy or another.
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Evil Christmas!!!!!!
by Gill inwould you believe that i just got told off my a born again christian minister whose daughter goes to school with my daughter.. he knew that i was an ex jw and that we were celebrating christmas this year and proceeded to give me the full pagan origins thing, and people getting into debt, and it having nothing to do with jesus birth!
then there's the people who let themselves go morally at christmas parties and drink and drive and.........etc.. i thought only jw's would dress someone down like that.
i politely nodded at him and smiled kindly at his preaching.. aaaah!
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Gill
Would you believe that I just got told off my a born again christian minister whose daughter goes to school with my daughter.
He knew that I was an ex JW and that we were celebrating christmas this year and proceeded to give me the full pagan origins thing, and people getting into debt, and it having nothing to do with Jesus birth! Then there's the people who let themselves go morally at christmas parties and drink and drive and.........etc.
I thought only JW's would dress someone down like that.
I politely nodded at him and smiled kindly at his preaching.
Aaaah! Bless him what can you do?
Any one else met such a zealous non-JW?
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Is There Anything To Admire Jehovah's Witnesses For...... In Reality?
by minimus inyou hear of people saying, "i admire jws for their zeal".
i wonder whether the witnesses' zeal is all that admirable.
al-qaida's got a lot of zeal too......
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Gill
Blondie, you are so right! There's very little to admire them for. We've had many hard times but I remember one of my babies being born prematurely and being desperately ill. They never called, offered to help or asked after him.
When my husband lost his job just after we moved house and got a new mortgage, an elder came to visit and said that of course we couldn't have any financial help but they come come round and study the watchtower with us on Friday evenings. My husband didn't even dignify that with an answer.
I find their blind faith rather impressive though in a sad sort of way. How they hang on for dear life to the hope that they will NEVER die or WILL live forever if they just KEEP GOING to the meetings. Sad really.
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Homeschooling?
by mkr32208 inthis is a pet peeve of mine!
how in the heck can the school board justify turning the education of anyone over to some jacka$$ that dropped out of school to pioneer and makes their living cleaning toilets!
how can any parent that truely loves their kid not take a good long look at themselves and say "i am not the best teacher for this child.
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Gill
I'm sure it can work in some cases but it's not my experience that it does in the long term.
I have an anxious son who finds school difficult in the social sense but is extremely intelligent.
Instead of taking him out of school we took him to a psychiatrist to teach him to cope with his anxietys and it has worked. He will always in life come across difficult situations and problems and we all find other people hard to deal with at times so we give him extra support and encouragement but do not let him get out of the difficult situation.
The doc says that for some people life is like one big roller coaster ride. If you hold on and stay on the ride EVENTUALLY with support and encouragement, and training, a person will learn that there is nothing to fear and it becomes much less of a struggle.
As for not going to school to avoid bad associations, I have never seen that work once.
The lives of these people are messed up seriously and all that I have known are either disass'd, disfell. or faded.
JW's are the worst associated to have.
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Mentally-ill girl who was sold for sex faces death penalty in Iran
by Elsewhere inhttp://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=592910
mentally-ill girl who was sold for sex faces death penalty in iran by angus mcdowall in tehran.
14 december 2004 .
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Gill
This mentality does not only exist in muslim cultures.
It turned out in the congregation we were in that a young girl told her parents when she was seventeen that she had been raped by her school friend's brother when she was just thirteen.
Her fathers and my father's reaction when I over heard them in conversation.
Her father: No one in the organization will want her now. We'll never get her married off.
My father: No brothers want someone who's not a virgin. I"m very sorry for your situation.
This in late twentienth century United Kingdom!
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Mentally-ill girl who was sold for sex faces death penalty in Iran
by Elsewhere inhttp://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=592910
mentally-ill girl who was sold for sex faces death penalty in iran by angus mcdowall in tehran.
14 december 2004 .
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Gill
Religion takes the good out of people, wraps it in a black bag and throws it in the bin.
What's left, is not worth having.