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  Sign this petition - Investigation On Jehovahs Witnesses Religious Policy That Violates Human Rights and Abuses Religious Freedom

  by TJ Curioso in

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  launch an investigation on jehovahs witnesses religious policy that violates human rights and abuses religious freedom.

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  wearewatchingyouman, you sound like a statistical outlier, and while your example may be noteworthy it won't be representative. I only heard of one ex-JW that joined the Services out of many that got disfellowshiped, DA'ed, faded, etc.

  My two degrees and 40 years do not equip me to understand how forcing or tabling an issue, however indeterminant the outcome, is a bad thing. If JWs are so stupid as to read the pain language of that statement, and then say, "Gee, I don't agree that this is the case at all as I shun my family member and forbid this other a transfusion and forbid this other an education commensurate with inflation", then, *How were you going to coax them out in the first place?

  I admit I have never attempted to coax out a JW or play naive or be patient. My biological relatives are all under powerful senior elder thumbs and are beyond the event horizon.

  I agree there is no inherent obligation to aid JWs to get out. The ecology of memes is red in tooth and claw. I do not believe in a divine power or any other higher calling that demands rescuing victims of a cult, but rather a heartless universe that couldn't care less how many are born in the cult and die in old age. I can lean left on some issues, and this one seems an appropriate issue to address by some kind of intervention, however minimal. It's not me who decides what degree of federal or big government involvement that is, but, here's a statement and it's plausible it might be seen at a level that triggers oversight, on this issue or some other issue.
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  Sign this petition - Investigation On Jehovahs Witnesses Religious Policy That Violates Human Rights and Abuses Religious Freedom

  by TJ Curioso in

  1. watchtower
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  launch an investigation on jehovahs witnesses religious policy that violates human rights and abuses religious freedom.

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  Wearewatchingyouman: by your logic human rights exist solely in the context of the threat of violence. Meaning, JWs have a basic human right to not be dragged physically to a meeting, dragged physically into a door-to-door sales and proselytizing effort, dragged physically to the gates of the city and banished from friends and family, etc. I agree that those are great human rights to have. It's fortunate for your logic that JWs do not threaten the violence of having their eyeballs picked out by vultures and flesh falling away. It's also fortunate for your logic that every single JW that ever existed grew up out in the world to a mature thinking ability, understood the difference between emotional coercion, emotional abuse, the threat of abandonment, even as minors, and the threat of violence, so that, on that one fine day they mistakenly found themselves, whoops, as a baptized JW, they were very clear headed about what constituted their basic human right to refuse to do this or that thing, which may not make sense to them, and the threat of violence.

  May I have the honor of hearing how long, and from what age, you were in this "Just a stupid religion"?
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  Sign this petition - Investigation On Jehovahs Witnesses Religious Policy That Violates Human Rights and Abuses Religious Freedom

  by TJ Curioso in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  launch an investigation on jehovahs witnesses religious policy that violates human rights and abuses religious freedom.

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  signed
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  How Some Book Reviews Disprove Creation

  by metatron in

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  http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/dinosaurs-veronica-ross/1112326051?ean=9780760765586.

  here we have a book for children about dinosaurs.

  if you read the reviews, there are some that object to the gory pictures inside.

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  Buffalo were utterly peaceful before the Fall, and would use their hefty horns to plow furroughs in the ground and scrape seeds into it. But they turned into killers. Here we see buffalo cleverly and deliberately sneaking up on an unsuspecting lion by minding their own business and appearing tasty.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpnERlsfBFc
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  Are You Embarrassed Because You Were A Jehovah's Witness?

  by minimus in

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  i am not.

  everyone makes mistakes..

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  I had to finish a BA in Literature and a BS in Astronomy before I felt minimally comfortable sharing this otherwise very embarrassing aspect of my experience. I still get a sense of panic when I relate as best I can what being a JW was like, but the 'worldy' listener just doesn't swallow their tongue on the spot, or have a coronary on the spot, or an aneurism on the spot, which tells me I am not communicating totally or effectively, and it's like I still have a gag in my mouth. You cannot shove 25 years of JW Auschwitz into an innocent 'worldly' person's comprehension. So, embarrassing.
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  Minimum Ingredients Needed to Exit a Cult

  by rebel8 in

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  conditions needed for a person to leave a high control group: [source].

  1. courage.

  a person must be very brave to leave a high control group.

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  "Social network" is probably a big elephant whose limbs are interpreted differently by different observers.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs
  
  I got out without any social network of any kind, as I did not know one human soul for three years other than workmates. But I recommend the component of "social network" that gives what I consider to be 'oxygen', or, the basic ability to vent your experience. You don't need to be BBF to vent and get acknowledgement, so I put that component of social network under Maslow's "Physiological". Later on, other components of social network become necessary, respect by others for instance, which are quite elevated above mere venting and breathing in the oxygen of knowing you are not alone.
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  The END did NOT come in their lifetime!!

  by DATA-DOG in

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  i don't know about the rest of you, but i have seen my fair share of death.

  both sets of grandparents, aunts and uncles, older jws that were pillars in the community.

  i even knew the first missionary in missouri, a brother named gerald golf.

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  By the time they were done, my mom was saddled with five boys. At about boy #3, I recall the family sitting around as she read a short story she had written that featured something about the wind blowing fragments of leaves into someone's eye. Dad and us boys (5yo and down) for some reason thought it was worthy of panning. There was undoubtedly a male majority component to the opinion. She went away sad. Another time, she showed us her charcoal drawings. I believe no one panned those. Dad is gone from cancer, she's a graying widow under the care, I'm sure, of some secondary sequence of alpha elder gorillas, and she will die in this cult, with her artistic potential unexplored.
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  Why would a supremely powerful and wise being regard faith as a virtue?

  by Island Man in

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  if i were the all-powerful creator of all the universe it would be a very easy thing to prove my existence, requirements and will in an indisputable and unambiguous way.

  everyone would know of my existence and requirements without them having to put forth effort to believe based on limited, ambiguous evidence that is highly subject to interpretation.

  i would regard faith as a harmful trait that makes one vulnerable to being deceived.

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  Looking down the master-slave dialectic, faith is a blindfold and an act of subjugation. Old-school 'terrorists' were often pictured blindfolding their victims to some specific end. The victim's faith of living through an interrogation, a life-and-death ordeal, or other high-control scenarios, is an exploitation and psychological warfare.

  Does the National Security Agency have faith in You?
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  I feel my faith is weakening

  by Brother Mike in

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  when you were in the truth did you find websites like this and read what the other side has to say?

  i am in that stage and i feel as if i'm seeking out the ttatt.

  i feel the wt society is hiding way too much.

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  oops, thought I was hitting the back button. clearly, it does not belong to man who is clicking even to direct his mouse.
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  Were you afraid of Armageddon on New Year's Eve 1999?

  by rebel8 in

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  obligatory false predictions link.. so were you cowering somewhere with a stash of watchtowers hidden in your bunker on 12/31/1999?.

  were you excited about armageddon coming and wiping all the wicked off the planet?.

  were you arrogantly bragging how much better you and your fellow bros were than the worldlies, who were out celebrating blindly, like those in noah's day?.

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  New Years 1999 was my first New Years out of the cult. Champagne among adults at a technology workplace, myself newly completely alone in the universe except for about three workmates. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. Do it when you're young.