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  Crisis of Conscience available for free on Audible

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm unclear on how this has been achieved or if permissions have been given.

  presumably, audible (part of amazon) have their own procedures to ensure legality, but here it is nonetheless;.

  listen to crisis of conscience - raymond franz by crisis of conscience - raymond franz on audible.

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  blondie

  Glad to hear it works.
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  Sad observation

  by Gorb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  reading about jw.org rules changes these days gives me a sad observation.. everything what "is" today, can be gone tomorrow.. that makes it all worthless.

  you were an elder, searching for evidence, and proof to df a person.

  because he or she was not humble enough.

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  blondie

  This is probably what the WTS uses to equate "removing" to "disfellowshipping."

  WT 9/1/1962 p. 535

  • ‘Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.’” (1 Cor. 5:11, 13)

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    Paul did just that when he disfellowshiped Hymenaeus and Alexander for subverting the faith of some by false teachings.—1 Tim. 1:20; 2 Tim. 2:17, 18.
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  The org's "new lights" - corrupting Proverbs 4:18

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  proverbs 4:18 says, "but the path of the righteous....grows brighter and brighter until full daylight.".

  the bible "light" doesn't get brighter - it never changes - it's a person's direction & course of life which gets brighter.. w11 9/15 p. 14 par.

  15 - "when spiritual light on some matter gets brighter, do you try to understand the underlying scriptural reasons for the adjustment?

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  blondie

  https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/light-gets-brighter.php

  Brighter or Changed (small quote who article is great)

  Regularly, Watchtower light is not brighter, it is vastly different than the past

  Proverbs 4 identifies that righteous people fare better than the wicked, and not prophetic of the Watchtower Society. However, let us entertain the idea that within this passage there is the prophetic foreshadowing that God progressively reveals truth to his people during the time of the end. This concept cannot apply to Watchtower history, as Watchtower doctrine has not refined but changed. Consider whether the following change is really a matter of doctrinal light getting lighter:
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  The boy who has cried wolf - for nearly 140 years!

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "when will this hope be fulfilled?

  the bible foretold events that would signal that god’s kingdom is about to begin its rule over the earth.

  present world conditions match what the bible foretold.

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  blondie

  20th century quotes from jwfacts.com with quotes and locations in WTS pubications

  https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/quotes/20th-century-2000.php

  The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah p. 216
  "Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom."

  Watchtower 1984 Mar 1 pp.18-19
  "Some of that "generation" could survive until the end of the century. But there are many indications that "the end" is much closer than that!"

  "Let Your Kingdom Come" (1981) p.102
  "But now in our 20th century, we have come to the time for harvest — "a conclusion of a system of things, and the reapers are angels"!"

  Watchtower 1989 Jan 1 p.12
  "He was laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century." (continues)
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  Will there ever be any new GB members?

  by Mikejw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the last two seem very young.. will there be any further new gb members or will they all die off?.

  i still remember when tony morris and a few other joined many were disappointed thinking the current crop would be the last.

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  blondie

  Beth Sarim, I laid a trap for them, simple, innocuous questions, until the last one dropped and they went silent. I had recent quotes from the WTS for them to see and asked how that fits? They knew they were lieing and that I knew they were lieing, but I did not say they were lieing. Theyconvicted themselves and walked away. I was wise enough not to try to get other people to realize that in the congregation. They would have to see it themselves in the words of the elders and the rest of the WTS.
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  How many JW in the 1920's

  by xaminewt in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm trying to find out how many jw there were globally in 1924, 1925, 1926, 1927 and 1928. the watchtower of 1926 says that there were 25,000 in attendance at the magdeburg convention for the public address, but the same watchtower say that one the last day of the convention there were 15,000 present, so i assume at least 10,000 were interested persons - non jw.

  the watchtower 1955 says: "for this year of 1927 the number in attendance at the spring memorial internationally was 88,544, yet of these only some 18,602 were active as house-to-house kingdom announcers".

  these statistics would seem to imply that the majority of jw in 1926 were at the magdeburg convention.

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  blondie

  jwfacts.com https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1925.php

  The converse occurred after 1925 came and went without incidence. Memorial attendance dropped by three-quarters, from 88,544 in 1927 to just 17,380 in 1928. (Watchtower 1955 p.366; Yearbook 1929 p.55) (Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose p.313) It is estimated that as many as 75% of publishers left the religion and by 1935 memorial attendance was still only 63,146.3 It took until 1940 to once again reach the same number of Watchtower followers as the pre-1925 era.

  

  
  
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  Crisis of Conscience available for free on Audible

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm unclear on how this has been achieved or if permissions have been given.

  presumably, audible (part of amazon) have their own procedures to ensure legality, but here it is nonetheless;.

  listen to crisis of conscience - raymond franz by crisis of conscience - raymond franz on audible.

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  blondie

  Perhaps the WTS saw this and contacted Audible and had it pulled?
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  Where Adam and Eve Vegan/Vegetarian?

  by KerryKing in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jws seem to firmly believe that before the flood mankind eas vegan or at least vegetarian.. however, in gen 1:24,25 it says that god created livestock (domestic animals) and beasts of the eart (wild beasts).. why would adam and eve need livestock if they were vegan and naked?

  wouldn't need wool or hide for clothing, nor meat for food.

  possibly for dairy products only?

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  blondie

  I did deep research on this some time ago, and concluded that the WTS did not say that jws had to be vegan or vegetarians at this time, and that other jws could make their own choice but not insist others had to. As to the so-called new system...nothing is clear per the WTS. As to Adam and Eve, Abel sacrificed some of his sheep to god in Genesis, so they obviously killed animals. Did they eat them, it does not say. As to why god let humans eat animals properly bled after the flood, the WTS has some guesses, but again the bible does not say. I'll try to find that research. The WTS has a pattern. June 8, 1976 Awake p. 14-15 "To the question, ‘Should worshipers of God be vegetarians?’ the answer must be that it is an individual, personal matter. If a person is convinced of the value of it from the standpoint of cost, economics or health, and finds it practical, he may adopt a vegetarian regimen. But he cannot find ethical support for his restricted diet in God’s Word. If he becomes involved in that aspect of vegetarianism, he is losing sight of God’s way of viewing things." AND August 8, 1997, p.18; "Because of health, economics, ecology, or compassion for animals, a person may choose to follow a vegetarian regimen. But he must recognize it as only one way of eating. He should not criticize those who choose to eat meat, just as one who eats meat should not condemn a vegetarian. Eating meat or refraining from it does not make one a better person. (Romans 14:1-17) Neither should one’s diet become the prime concern in his life. “Man must live,” Jesus said, “not on bread alone, but on every utterance coming forth through Jehovah’s mouth.”—Matthew 4:4."

  And Watchtower January 15, 2002, p. 23 "In order to thrive, sheep need human care. Abel’s occupation testifies that man raised these domestic animals from the outset of mankind’s history. The Scriptures do not say whether the earliest humans used animal milk as a source of food, but even those with a vegetarian diet can use sheep’s wool. And when sheep die, their hides serve useful purposes. To clothe Adam and Eve, for instance, Jehovah provided “long garments of skin.”—Genesis 3:21.

  In any case, it seems reasonable to assume that Cain and Abel originally cooperated with each other. They produced something that others in the family needed in order to keep clothed and well fed."

  As to the animals were vegetarians, the study of animals and their characteristics does not support the idea that lions and tigers eat vegetarian, their teeth etc. proves they are designed or evolved to eat meat. That's my opinion. BTW the about above, I am reporting not supporting.
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  Pomo because of Proclaimers book, 1995 generation change and Daniel prophecy book

  by Gorb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  have some time thinking about my recent and less recent personal history because of the summer holiday.. the 90's crossed my mind.

  the years i became pimo.

  a friend, a room mate during the 1993 moscow international convention, went to university.

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  blondie

  I predicted the 1995 change to my new jw husband (just baptized) and he was amazed. But I did not leave yet. It wasn't until 2000 that I left totally, not even weddings and funerals. I am probably considered just inactive so far. I was PIMO for too long. But the WTS gave me a big push with 3 statements at the same circuit assembly: 1) Their god conditions his jw people like a baby elephant chained to a tree that allowed the baby to go only so far. It was trained to think it could only go so far, even when it became a big elephant and could pull the tree up 2) told people that their non-jw spouses were walking dead people (zombies) despite some non-jw spouses were their with their jw spouse 3) That Jesus is not interested in people with problems (dirty). Not the Jesus their bible describes.

  That was in the morning and I told my husband I was leaving and never participating in any jw activities again. I told him if he did not come with me, I was taking the car home and he could catch a ride. He came home with me and we both left in 6 months; turned away the elders, said we had health issues and did not need to talk to them. They don't drop by now after almost 25 years. We don't miss them at all. The first morning we got up and did not go to the Sunday meeting was like being let out of prison. We got up when we wanted, read the paper had a nice cup of coffee and breakfast and have ever since. Love Blondie
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  Setting the record straight. CSA report in New Zealand

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  ok i just want to officially set the record straight about the report of csa in new zealand.

  i have a pimo relative who lives in nz.

  as far as public awareness, with regard to the jws, it was basically a big nothing burger.

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  blondie

  Yes, NotFormer, but the goal should be to protect all children from sexual abuse. If laws were passed that affected all these religious groups as well as other places pedophiles try to hide out, all children would benefit, even those in the WTS. My state does not mandate reporting by religions or their representatives, other states do. The religions band together in the US to stop that from happening legally, although they cannot unite on much else.