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  Elder burn-out

  by roybatty in

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  while responding to another post, i started to wonder how many other current or former elders out there have also seen the high turnover rate among elders.

  before i left the jws a couple of years ago, i was an elder for about 4 years and within that time i saw the local elder body drop from eight to four people.

  even before that it seemed that the elder body had a revolving door on it.

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  blondie

  Hi unclebruce...I was just wondering where you were.
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  RE: "Special Meeting"

  by Quandary in

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  i'm very surprised that my family has not heard about this "special meeting".

  we are a 3rd generation jw family, dad is the po, mom has been a reg pio for 25 yrs, brother is a bethelite.

  can anyone tell me the date of this supposed "special meeting" and if there is a chicagoland location.. thanks

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  blondie

  I think the reason is more that the Marriott chain and the WTS cannot come to a business agreement.

  The Marriott family owns (or owned) the Marriott chain and they happen to be members of the Mormons (LDS). If Joe Blow owned the grocery store down the road and he happened to worship at the Catholic Church, JWs, as a group, would not boycott the store. Not that there couldn’t be a rogue JW somewhere whose conscience is so tender that he/she can’t. Of course, it would be hard to find a grocery store owned by a JW in every territory. They’d be starving. So, I’m sure that is not the reason why the WTS does not book their hotels. After all there is this experience about a brother who worked at the Atlanta Marriott.

  *** w82 8/1 11 Sidelights on Dunwoody Kingdom Hall ***
  A Witness works as a waiter at the Perimeter Marriott Hotel in Atlanta. The restaurant manager was having dinner with his visiting parents, and he asked the Witness to tell them about the church that was built in two days. His father retorted: “It can’t be done! I’ve been in construction for years and I know it can’t be done!” He then asked, “What religion are you?” When told Jehovah’s Witnesses, he said: “They could do it!” He had managed a convention hall that the Witnesses had used and had seen how they worked together. “Any other religion couldn’t do it,” he said, “but Jehovah’s Witnesses could do it.”

  (spell check doesn't catch everything)
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  Nov. 8 Awake - Wife Beaters-Sick

  by MrMoe in

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  i will let you all hang who ever the heck wrote this crap.

  november 8, 2001 awake page 9: some battered women may need to seek assistance from the authorities.

  at times, a point of crisis-such as intervention of the police-can cause an abusive man to see the seriousness of the action.. page 12: should the battered wife leave her husband?

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  blondie

  Whoever researched this article at the WTS goofed. They should have look further back in their own articles:

  5/8/79 Awake pages 6-11 Battered Wives/Battered Husbands-What Is Behind It?

  "What Kind of Man Beats His Wife?

  Regarding home violence, certain stereotypes come to many a mind. Persons often picture a “blue-collar worker”—perhaps a truck driver, ditchdigger or garbage man—who stops off at the local bar, “tanks up” on beer and staggers home ready to fight. There are many like that, as we saw earlier in Connie’s and Gloria’s cases.

  But if you think that family violence is confined mainly to such persons, you are mistaken. “Family violence,” states the column “Intelligence Report,” “cuts across race, class, and background. It is widespread and occurs as often among the upper middle class as among the lower.” (Parade, October 16, 1977, p. 18)

  Wife Beating: The Silent Crisis points out:

  “Those who work with battered women report victims among the wives of physicians, lawyers, college professors, and even clergymen. In Dr. Gelles’s spouse-abuse study, the families with the most violence were those with the highest incomes.”—p. 7."
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  My JW Mothers' Words Of "Love"

  by Ranchette in

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  well, i just received a letter from my mom and i dont know how to describe my feelings at this time.

  i thought id share parts of it with you and see what yall think.

  i will delete names and add my own words in parenthesis to describe whom shes talking about.. after a few lines of small talk she says this..........i do want to tell you, since (you and your husband) have rejected the truth, i am so glad (your son) is not old enough to join or be drafted into the military.

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  blondie

  As to why people love their abusers, here are a few sites that might help. Some may be redundant or you may have worked out some of this already.

  http://www.drirene.com/verbalabuse.htm

  http://www.verbalabuse.com/indexmain.shtml

  http://www.preventchildabuse.com/emotion.htm

  http://www.vachss.com/av_dispatches/disp_9408_a.html
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  Elder Manual - 10 Year Anniversary

  by Black Man in

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  ok.......this year marks the 10th annniversary when the wts unleashed the "pay attention to the flock" book a.k.a the top secret elder manual.

  in honor of that milestone i'll post some memorable gems from what is now the modern-day holy grail.....(parenthetical comments are mine)........ sexual misconduct, including; adultery, fornication, and other forms of "por.ne'a..": .

  uncleanness includes an intentional momentary touching of sexual parts or caressing of breasts.

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  blondie

  here's one site:

  http://home2.inet.tele.dk/carloc/
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  My JW Mothers' Words Of "Love"

  by Ranchette in

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  well, i just received a letter from my mom and i dont know how to describe my feelings at this time.

  i thought id share parts of it with you and see what yall think.

  i will delete names and add my own words in parenthesis to describe whom shes talking about.. after a few lines of small talk she says this..........i do want to tell you, since (you and your husband) have rejected the truth, i am so glad (your son) is not old enough to join or be drafted into the military.

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  blondie

  It's amazing what people will do and say to each other under the guise of "love." Ranchette, think carefully about when you were going to the KH; did your mother manipulate you this way then?

  I'd be willing to say she did. I'm not so sure that JWs teach people to be manipulators or if manipulators are drawn to them.

  Your mother said these things because she knew they would hurt...it's hard to believe she just started using these tactics...I'm sure in spite of what the she knows the Bible says, she probably hurt you this way when you were going to the KH.

  If God's love were conditional, how could he love any of us imperfect humans. There is nothing we can DO to deserve God's love that's why it is called "undeserved kindness."

  (I'll stop now, it's a little uncomfortable getting so personal, but you sound like a loving person who needs a hand up after Mom has kicked you)
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  Need Advice

  by scary_goat2000 in

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  need some help from you guys.. i am a divorced jw (ex was never baptized) free to remarry.

  i have been seeing a wonderfull christian woman and have moved in with her.

  we plan to marry in the spring.

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  blondie

  The Elders Book says this about proof of fornication and/or adultery:

  Strong circumstantial evidence, such as pregnancy or evi-
  dence (testified to by at least two witnesses) that the
  accused stayed all night in the same house with a person of
  the opposite sex (or in the same house with a known
  homosexual ) under improper circumstances, is acceptable.

  So if 2 witnesses camped out all night on the same night and saw that the 2 of you "stayed all night in the same house" you are toast. Nothing need to have happened. This some how presumes that people do not have sex in the day time only at night and that it takes all night to accomplish the act. When does it become all night...if you left at 1 a.m. would you be safe...I don't know.
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  The most truthful statement made by Watchtower

  by radar in

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  [b]religion is a snare and a racket[b/].

  why did they stop saying it?

  oh thats right, when they realised they themselves, are a religion.. .

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  blondie

  New light would be that

  "Some say 'religion is a snare and a racket.' New light says that 'false' religion is a snare and a racket and all religions except JWs are false."

  I wonder how many JWs were beat up for saying that or wearing those sandwich signs with that on it. It's sort like a your child coming in and saying, "Johnny is picking on me (or hitting me)." And come to find out, your little darling has been calling Johnny foul names and throwing rocks at Johnny. Duuh!
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  The Retractable Dangling Carrot

  by TMS in

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  some scattered thoughts about the granting or denial of privileges of service as a control mechanism:.

  this method of persuasion involving reward or punishment is so deeply ingrained in watchtower function, it is second nature.

  although sometimes subtle, sometimes blatant, everyone from new bible study to traveling overseer is subconsciously aware of the possible limiting of his official opportunities to serve god and his brothers.. .

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  blondie

  Too late for some now, but for others, 2 suggestions:

  First, talk to the WT Conductor with another sister (or your husband if he is a JW) present, asking why it seems you are not called on. Ask to answer a specific question in the next WT study and have it already selected for his convenience. Before the public talk, remind him of it (still with sister or husband in tow), to watch him make a note of your name by that paragraph. (Pick one close to the beginning so you can implement second suggestion right away if necessary).

  Second, if that doesn't work, then raise your hand on every paragraph until you are called on.

  I have seen this work every time. At the very least they have to give you an verbal explanation in front of someone else.
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  10/1 WT: Creative days = 7,000 years

  by Seeker in

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  the fourth paragraph on page 30 in the october 1, 2001 wt says this:.

  "getting back to paul's statement in hebrews, we note that he pointed out that "there remains a sabbath resting for the peoples of god," and he urged his fellow christians to do their utmost "to enter into that rest.

  " this shows that when paul wrote those words, "the seventh day" of god's rest, which had started some 4,000 years earlier, was still in progress.

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  blondie

  Dinosaur comments = the Bible doesn't say but that doesn't stop the WTS from having an "opinion."

  *** g90 2/8 11 What Happened to the Dinosaurs? ***
  When the dinosaurs had fulfilled their purpose, God ended their life. But the Bible is silent on how he did that or when. We can be sure that dinosaurs were created by Jehovah for a purpose, even if we do not fully understand that purpose at this time.

  *** w73 7/15 447 Questions from Readers ***
   When did God create dinosaurs, and when did they become extinct?—U.S.A.
  The Bible does not provide specific answers to this question. According to the Genesis account, animals were created during the fifth and sixth creative periods or ‘days.’ If the Hebrew expression translated “great sea monsters” [Hebrew, tan·ni·nim'] includes dinosaurs, which often inhabited swampy, watery areas, this would mean that dinosaurs were created on the fifth “day.” (Gen. 1:21) We do not know whether they continued to exist until man was created (toward the close of the sixth “day”). At the very latest it seems likely that they must have disappeared off the earth at the time of the flood of Noah’s day. Dinosaurs were reptiles, and some kinds of dinosaurs bear strong resemblance structurally and otherwise to lizards (sauros is, in fact, the Greek word for “lizard”; saura in Leviticus 11:29, LXX). Not all types of dinosaurs were of such gigantic size. Hence, even if they had survived till the Flood, this would not have required taking pairs of the mammoth varieties into the ark. Other smaller members of the particular family or “kind” to which these belonged would have sufficed to fulfill the divine command.—Gen. 6:19, 20; 7:14.