Death at the end of the Millennial reign or at "any time" thereafter! Watchtower-1950-10-15-p.399 Questions From Readers ? Revelation 21:4 says that in the new world there will be no more death. Does this mean that even animals will not die then?—M. I., New York. This text does not mean that all death will be eliminated. Rebellious human creatures will die during Christ’s millennial reign, and those siding with Satan at the end of the thousand years will perish. (Isa. 65:17, 20; Rev. 20:7-10) True, Revelation 20:14 shows death destroyed and thereafter Revelation 21:4 says there will be no more death, but the death referred to is death due to inheritance from Adam. Men will not then degenerate and die because of Adam’s transgression, but at any future time Jehovah God could execute any willful rebel that would disrupt the peace of the new world. Hence Revelation 21:4 speaks only of the Adamic death of humans, and has no application to the animal realm.
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Need Help With A Statement About J-Dubs
by XJW4EVR intonight in my apologetics class the professor, in the syllabus, stated the following: .
"during this 1,000 year period, people will be resurrected and have a second chance to recieve eternal life by following the principles of jehovah's organization on earth known as the watchtower bible and tract society.
for some reason, this statement struck me as wrong.
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the Bible must be supplemented by something else
by drew sagan inthere is no book better to deal with than the holy bible.
it is symbolically called the sword of the spirit; and certainly it is better to manufacture and distribute the sword of the spirit than to engage in the arms race and in making the munitions of carnal warfare, which only result in injuring, maiming and killing.
but the bible must be supplemented by something else.
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the Bible must be supplemented by something else
by drew sagan inthere is no book better to deal with than the holy bible.
it is symbolically called the sword of the spirit; and certainly it is better to manufacture and distribute the sword of the spirit than to engage in the arms race and in making the munitions of carnal warfare, which only result in injuring, maiming and killing.
but the bible must be supplemented by something else.
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Johannes Greber, the New Testament
by Lady Lee ini was hunting through some papers and found about 1000 photocopies of various things that are wt-related.
thought i would share some of them.
in 1980 the wts sent a thank you letter to the johannes greber memorial foundation.
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Rutherford's Books sold at Occult Book Store! From Seb: Many bookstore owners pride themselves in selling only particular kinds of books.
This helps them to (stand-out) from other bookstore owners, because the customers become familiar in knowing that only their fashion of interest can be met by going to just this one bookstore.
If a person is looking for books on the (Occult)-then what better place to find such a book, than at an Occult Bookstore?
EXJWs are alway being accused of making up stories about the WatchTower and the literature that has come forth from the Watchtower Leaders.
It is quite obvious that (other) people (besides) EXJWs have noticed the close relationships, between the (Occult) and many of the Watch Tower Society's books.
Some of these people call books of this nature (Occult or Esoteric).
Esoteric means: Secret, understood by a chosen few, for only a certain group, confidential.
None of those definitions display the (OPEN, CLEAR, and UNDERSTANDABLE, EVEN BY CHILDREN)-message of Christ.
Please note these two book numbers being sold at this Occult Bookstore.
#2459 and #2562
Both books are from the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, as Joseph Rutherford was the author.
Here is an example of what you will see when you get to the website:-
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2459 LET GOD BE TRUE RUTHERFORD NONE WTBTS 1946 NO DW.318PP.V\G £8.00
2541 HEALING THE CHILD WITHIN CHARLES WHITFIELD NONE HEALTH
COMMUNICATIONS 1989 SOFTBACK.150PP.FINE £7.00
2542 THE COMPLETE ASCENSION MANUAL-HOW TO ACHEIVE ASCENSION JOSHUA
DAVID STONE NONE LIGHT TECHNOLOGY 1994 SOFTBACK.297PP.NR FINE £10.00
2543 SOUL PSYCHOLOGY-KEYS TO ASCENSION JOSHUA DAVID STONE NONE LIGHT
TECHNOLOGY 1994 SOFTBACK.270PP.NR FINE £10.00
2544 BOUNDLESS ENERGY DEEPAK CHOPRA IN TEXT R 1995 SOFTBACK.133PP.NR
FINE £7.00
2546 DON'T SWEAT THE SMALL STUFF WITH YOUR FAMILY RICHARD CARLSON
NONE HODDER AND STOUGHTON 1998 SOFTBACK.255PP.MINT £8.00
2562 THE HARP OF GOD RUTHERFORD NONE WBTS 1921.375PP.V\G £8.00
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If you write those two numbers down, it will be easier to refer to
them when you get to the site, in order to find the two listings.
Go here: http://www.booksmart.co.uk/esoteric.htm
Backup thread: http://www.booksmart.co.uk/esoteric.htm
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It is very clear that (other people) have found the same (occult
related) information in Watchtower literature, besides those who have left the Watchtower.
If the bookstore owner here thought that these books were
(religious), instead of (occult related),--then more than likely
these books would not have even gotten a second look from the store-owner.
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Defending and Legally Establishing the Good News (1950)
by JW_Researcher in.
does anyone have, or know where i can download, this booklet?
if not, i'll scan it and make it available in a pdf but ....didn't want to if i didn't have to.
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JW_Researcher:
I have it in a pdf file, however, it is on a CD that I would have to send you in the mail because the file is to large to go through an email. The CD also has about 130 other booklets, books, Kingdom News, etc. on it.
Cheers!
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Johannes Greber, the New Testament
by Lady Lee ini was hunting through some papers and found about 1000 photocopies of various things that are wt-related.
thought i would share some of them.
in 1980 the wts sent a thank you letter to the johannes greber memorial foundation.
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Another spirit medium used by the Watchtower Bible And Tract Society. John S. Thompson http://www.forananswer.org/Top_JW/Thompson.spiritism.htm The following is from "Fanatical Guides," an article in The American Quarterly Review of September 1830, volume 8 (pp. 227 to 245). It describes, in Thompson's own words, his experience with spiritism:
"My honesty in expressing my sentiments, nearly destroyed my fellowship with the whole body of professing Christians, and caused me much bitterness. I appeared almost as an isolated individual, feeling no interest in any party, nor almost in any terrene object. The subject of religion seemed to me to wear a gloomy picture. For a time, I desisted from every religious meeting whatever, and for several months dreaded insanity. My application to study was inexpressibly intense : I never slept more than two or three hours. The deity of Jesus, the immortality of the soul, and some other subjects, continually kept my mind in excitement. Having adopted Materialism on the Priestleyan plan, I could not admit the existence of spirits in our world; for all antiquity supposed spirits to have been originally men : but if there had been no resurrection, there could be no human spirits.
"I will now proceed to relate things, just as I have before done, agreeably to the views and impressions I then had ; leaving every one to form his own opinion. I acknowledge, my mind was in a state of great excitement, at the time I had these extraordinary impressions; but it did not then seem to me, nor does it yet, that the degree of the excitement was adequate to the phenomena. I awoke, one night, and heard a considerable noise in my room. I listened carefully for some time, and the sound was that of a thousand pens, writing in great haste what was dictated. I heard a voice very distinctly, saying, - ‘In all your writings, be careful to represent Jesus as only the instrument of God in all he does.’ I immediately interrupted, by exclaiming,- ‘Silence! I’ll not believe one of you.’ The noise immediately stopped; and I was often afterward sorry that I had interrupted the dictation. I examined; but there was no person in the room, the door being locked, and none had yet arisen in the house.
"Not long after, sleeping in the same room, I awoke by pressure, which removed immediately on awaking. I began to reflect, whether it was a dream, or an external force applied to my body. Whilst I doubted, some being took hold of my hands, and pressed with violence, which excited in me great surprise. My hands were let loose, but, in one minute, they were again seized, with renewed violence. I then cried, - 'Let me loose! I believe! do not injure me! I am entirely satisfied of your existence!’ The pressure on my hands was immediately removed, and I then felt greatly agitated, and tossed in my bed. In two minutes after, my hands were seized a third time : I then complained loudly, but, in a minute of time, I was again set at liberty. I leaped on the floor, determined that I would make full proof, whether any person had got into the room : though I believed that no man could apply so much strength as I had experienced on my hands. The first thing I did was to examine the door, which I found as I had left it, locked, with they key in the inner side. I took the key out of the door and again trying it, found it fast. I then groped all over the room, but found nobody. I retired to my bed, placing the key under me, and waiting for the light of day.’"
http://www.forananswer.org/Top_JW/Scholars%20and%20NWT.htm#Thompson
John Thompson "and the Logos was a god." John S. Thompson, The Monotessaron; or, the Gospel History, According to the Four Evangelists, 1829. - Kingdom Interlinear Translation (1985), p. 1139.
Mr. Thompson claimed to be directed by "some being" who entered his room at night and directed him: "in all your writings, be careful to represent Jesus as only the instrument of God in all he does" (American Quarterly Review, 1830, Vol. 8, pages 227-245). You can find an extended quote here. For more information, see Witnesses of Jehovah by Leonard and Marjorie Chretien, p. 169-171. John S. Thompson quoted in the Kingdom Interlinear Translation published by the Watchtower Bible And Tract Society 1985, p.1139.
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Slanting and twisting what scriptures say to suit themselves.....
by Gill inthis is a quote from may 1st 2006 watchtower, as it appears in the watchtower.
''christ's loyal 'other sheep' keenly await their king's approving declaration:.. 'come, you who have been blessed by my father, inherit the (earthly paradise realm of the ) kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world.
is that really what christ said and wouldn't other christians consider this a nonsense to quote a scripture and in the scriture include your own interpretation of what it means, so that that it appears that is what the scripture says?
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Increase of war--staggering statements from the Really Teach book
by M.J. inthe "bible teach" book, on p.89 says:millions of people have been killed in wars during the past century.
one british historian wrote: "the 20th century was the most murderous in recorded history...it was a century of almost unbroken war, with few and brief periods without organised and armed conflict somewhere.
" a report from the worldwatch institute states: "three times as many people fell victim to war in [the 20th] century as in all the wars from the first century ad to 1899.
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Mentioned above. What Does The Bible Really Teach? Scan of page 88 http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=4/11119561537.jpg&s=x11 Scan of page 89 http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=4/11120102583.jpg&s=x11
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NEW WORLD
by EAGLE-1 inwhere can one find a cd copy of the nwt?
my nwt i used when i was a jdub accidently caught fire while i was using my grill.
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I have one you can have for free! Send me a [pm] and let me know where to send it.
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Kingdom Hall for Sale............Again
by hubert inwell, the old kingdom hall has a "new" for sale sign on the property.. it's not as big as the one that was there last year.
that one was taken down quite a while ago, and not replaced right away, so i assume that it was taken off the market for a few months.. it's the one that is in northern rhode island, and is still prime business property, so if and when it sells, the profit will be extremely high.
more money power for the watchtower.. hubert.
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Thanks hubert! Appreciate your keeping us informed.
Cheers!
