Sea Breeze you thought you had found something surprising in early Watchtower literature but you failed to note the context where they repeated their familiar stance in full: that Jesus is God’s first creation, separate from and subordinate to God, was a man while he was on earth, and that the incarnation doctrine is false. Instead of taking the correction, you go off on a tangent about “Lord” in 1 Cor 15:47 that JWs didn’t have a problem with anyway. Modern versions don’t have Lord in this verse because it’s not in the critical Greek text based on the earliest manuscripts - NIV, NLT, RSV, NWT, GNB, NASB, and on and on. The “modern” versions you provide as proof are translations earlier than the King James or based on the King James and its Greek text. What are you doing here?
slimboyfat
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Watchtower Used to Teach Jesus Was Not an Angel and was "the Lord from Heaven" Who Died on a Cross!
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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.
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I just heard.......
by BoogerMan in.........that little miss muffet sat on her tuffet eating only curds!.
no way!
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Will there ever be any new GB members?
by Mikejw inthe last two seem very young.. will there be any further new gb members or will they all die off?.
i still remember when tony morris and a few other joined many were disappointed thinking the current crop would be the last.
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slimboyfat
I don’t see why there wouldn’t be.
Apart from, maybe, catastrophic world events, perhaps involving the death of most humans by war, disease, or artificial intelligence, I can’t envisage what would stop them keeping on appointing future GB members.
There’s a saying attributed to the Marxist theorist Frederic Jameson that it’s easier to imagine the end of the world than it is to imagine the end of capitalism. Maybe I’m caught by the Watchtower equivalent: it’s easier to imagine the end of the world than it is to imagine the end of the Watchtower organisation.
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Watchtower Used to Teach Jesus Was Not an Angel and was "the Lord from Heaven" Who Died on a Cross!
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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.
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slimboyfat
What’s not true?
The modern versions listed here omit the word “Lord”, apart from the Amplified Bible that puts it in square brackets.
https://biblehub.com/parallel/1_corinthians/15-47.htm
Which modern English version do you say includes the word “Lord”?
The earliest MSS, including Vaticanus and Sinaiticus omit “Lord”, and modern critical editions of the Greek New Testament omit the word too: NA28, UBS5, Tyndale. That’s the reason modern versions don’t include the word in the text.
Nevertheless, Jehovah’s Witnesses believe Jesus is Lord and would have no trouble saying so then or now, or quoting the King James in this verse, as they often did in that period. They believe Jesus is God’s first creation and second in the universe only to God himself. This is what they taught in The Harp of God and it is what they teach now.
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Watchtower Used to Teach Jesus Was Not an Angel and was "the Lord from Heaven" Who Died on a Cross!
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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.
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slimboyfat
The quotation is taken from the King James Version which was used at the time. Modern versions of the Bible omit the word Lord in 1 Cor 15:47 because it is absent in early manuscripts. Regardless of the reading of this verse Jehovah’s Witnesses, as also the early Christians, acknowledge Jesus as Lord.
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Watchtower Used to Teach Jesus Was Not an Angel and was "the Lord from Heaven" Who Died on a Cross!
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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.
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slimboyfat
In the preceding pages the book explains that Jesus was God’s first creation and a separate being from God. In paragraph 170 it explains that Jesus was not incarnated and was not a spirit creature while on earth but was a man, and that is why the idea of incarnation is false.
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Worldwide Benefits ( USELESSNESS ) of Cart Witnessing
by RULES & REGULATIONS inlibrary.
meeting workbooks.
life and ministry meeting workbook | november 2018. .
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slimboyfat
The effect is hard to quantify because there will be people who have been influenced to return to JWs just because of the increased visibility in the community and the reminder that JWs are still around that the carts provide for POMI people out there. Plus advertising like this has an effect on the public in general in gaining recognition and acceptance for a message over a long period that again is hard to quantify. Persistence is paramount in any advertising campaign and JWs certainly have that.
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JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES IN THE BRITISH PRESS. "THE JEHOVAHS WITNESS CON" 8/3/2024
by Balaamsass2 innew story on google news search today 8/3 for "jehovah".
dorsett eye: "the jehovahs witness con".
jehovah witnesses are hypocrites and false prophets who are conning themselves".
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slimboyfat
Sounds like ChatGPT
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What would happen if the religion just straight out gets outed as bad? The ORG admits to it and all the members get told to disperse
by Starlight.vee inlike the org just gives up and comes out saying that all of what they are saying is untrue and that there is no armageddon, nothing.
how do y’all think the the members still in it would react?.
there be a mental health crisis i perhaps.
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slimboyfat
Really? Examples please Slim'.
The new drama of Jesus’ life is well produced. The talks and videos about the gospels had lots of interesting background information about composition, manuscripts and so on. The visuals from Israel (aka “The Land of Jesus”) were stunning. The talks were fast-paced and informative rather than old-style haranguing. The new Jesus song at the end was pretty good. Most of the time it kept my attention in a way that previous conventions didn’t, even when I was a firm believer.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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slimboyfat
Come to that, isn’t it pretty remarkable that, over two years after the scandal broke, he still seems to be unable to find anyone both worthy and willing to share presenting his videos? He probably has fans who are willing to do it, but they are too whack-a-doodle for him to invite onto the show, and nobody he’d consider good enough to do it is interested.