Sorry to hear that those who CLAIM to serve Jehovah have done you that way. Jehovah is very saddened by that and deeply cares for you. Just remember that!
defd, thank you for that empathetic and encouraging post.
Respectfully,
OldSoul
i was sooooo happy to find this site the other day.
i have been free and happy for a little over 6 years now.
i too grew up jw, pioneered, blah,blah blah, until around the time i moved out.
Sorry to hear that those who CLAIM to serve Jehovah have done you that way. Jehovah is very saddened by that and deeply cares for you. Just remember that!
defd, thank you for that empathetic and encouraging post.
Respectfully,
OldSoul
i was sooooo happy to find this site the other day.
i have been free and happy for a little over 6 years now.
i too grew up jw, pioneered, blah,blah blah, until around the time i moved out.
WELCOME!!!
Love the name. You have nothing to apologize for. Breathe free.
OldSoul
yes, i am stuck in this game again.
i can't go on until i find the name of this character.
http://www.simplecodeworks.com/mazito-2/lobster/index.html
Fairchild,
I tried the "microwave", "sydney", "kremlin" path and it kicks you off his computer and makes you start over. Try the "microwaveoven", "machupicchu" path. I got a good bit further than the other way...unless you are supposed to jump out of the computer down the "microwave" path... Later,
OldSoul
does anyone have the factual information concerning the jw's in romania?
i believe there were many witnesses serving under ban in romania for years and years while the communists were in power.
then in 1989 when the country revolted against ceausescu and communism was overthrown, the ban on the witnesses was lifted and they could now worship freely.
I can read it now:
"Sad to say, in the intervening years of isolation from God's organization many fell far behind the chariot. When finally they were able to begin partaking of the bounty of new spiritual food available to them, it became apparent that many had grown so accustomed to the spiritual food they were used to that they decided to separate from God's people rather than acquire a taste for the wonderful things Jehovah had prepared for them."
Tsk, tsk. So wasteful.
OldSoul
yes, i am stuck in this game again.
i can't go on until i find the name of this character.
http://www.simplecodeworks.com/mazito-2/lobster/index.html
Okay Fairchild, now you are on the path I took. I am pretty deep into Mazito3.
That city is Sidney. In Australia, the Opera House is in foreground.
However, I think the picture before was of a microwaveoven, not a microwave. "microwaveoven" path will take you to Machu Picchu, an Incan ruin. I love civilization studies. Let me know when you get to "halfhearted" unless you want me to just give you the steps from "microwaveoven." I don't know who that person is, and I feel like I should. It's bugging me.
Egads, but this is addictive!
OldSoul
we all know that our friend quotes is under attack from the wt -- for doing just that, quoting their literature.
are there any jw sites (jw members in good standing) that provide wt quotations of any kind?
if so, why are these "copy write" infringers being ignored by wt?.
Thanks for the link, Blondie. I just grabbed a copy of "Millions", a priceless resource. I have the bound book New World sitting right in front of me, I have been doing a grueling comparison of doctrinal points between pubs. There wasn't as much continuity between doctrine in the pubs as they portray. Maybe it depended on how sozzled the Judge was?
In another five years they will have to admit that millions did not survive, indeed could not survive if every remaining one who was alive in 1920 did a mass conversion. Right now, the figure hovers just over 3,000,000 still alive that were born prior to 1920, barely making the margin with a mass conversion today. Let's face it, most people don't make it to 85.
I found this hilarious quote:
w97 1/1 p. 11 Let All Glorify Jehovah!In the early 1920’s, a featured public talk presented by Jehovah’s Witnesses was entitled "Millions Now Living Will Never Die." This may have reflected overoptimism at that time. But today that statement can be made with full confidence.
[celebrated WT scholars] Because although the overoptimism wasn't warranted way back then, it is obviously warranted now! Why are you looking at us funny?
[grumblings of the faithful]
[celebrated WT scholars] What do you mean we weren't just overoptimistic? Obviously, there aren't millions of 85-year-olds among the 6,000,000 JWs, so it had to be overoptimism. I mean, the only other way to see it would be as a false prophecy and that would mean we were false prophets.
[grumblings of the faithful]
[celebrated WT scholars] What? Overoptimism doesn't change the fact that we spoke in God's name? But, Jonah proclaimed destruction on Ninevah and that was postponed! Well, no. None of the governments repented due to our message. But still it was postponed!
[grumblings of the faithful]
[celebrated WT scholars] Okay, that example doesn't fit. But we have authority to speak in God's name, granted by Holy Spirit. You are rebelling against Jehovah's Authority to reject our word, just like Korah, Dathan, and Abiram!
[grumblings of the faithful]
[celebrated WT scholars] Well, yes, Korah, Dathan, and Abiram are going to be resurrected after all. And, no, we don't have Scriptures to establish our authority. But look at our fruitage!
[grumblings of the faithful]
[celebrated WT scholars] Well, yes, there has been a lot of "overoptimism" in the past, but if you keep saying that overoptimism is false prophecy your going to get disfellowhipped! ("s" omitted intentionally)
[grumblings of the faithful]
[celebrated WT scholars] Yes, that is the same thing the Pharisees did to the one born blind that Jesus healed. But they weren't appointed by GOD, they "seated themselves in the seat of Moses." We've had enough, you're all disfellowhipped! We'll arrange the kangaroo cou...the er, um night court of the Sanhedrin...um, that is to say, Judicial Committees immediately. We'll tell the Holy Spirit what to decide. That active force always does what we tell it to.
OldSoul
does anyone have the factual information concerning the jw's in romania?
i believe there were many witnesses serving under ban in romania for years and years while the communists were in power.
then in 1989 when the country revolted against ceausescu and communism was overthrown, the ban on the witnesses was lifted and they could now worship freely.
But it's easy to spot a lie. It's not always easy to admit that's what it is. Whatever isn't a lie, or false, is true. The CCoJW (formerly, Watchtower Bible and Tract Society) takes reams of lies, strings 'em together, and sticks the label truth on them.
does anyone have the factual information concerning the jw's in romania?
i believe there were many witnesses serving under ban in romania for years and years while the communists were in power.
then in 1989 when the country revolted against ceausescu and communism was overthrown, the ban on the witnesses was lifted and they could now worship freely.
Yeah, bikerchic, but the Proclaimers book said such factions just die out "eventually." They probably used to say "very soon." Then it became "soon now..." And now we have "eventually." Of course, that book was released 12 years ago. Maybe they have finally given up on the idea of these factions going away.
The funniest thing is they don't even see that they are ridiculing themselves and making a mockery of the word "truth."
OldSoul
momofmany,
Leolaia's quote is from Worldwide Security Under the Prince of Peace (ws)
OldSoul
june 15,2000 watchtower on page 7 we find a nice picture of four people sitting in a park (with the traditional basket of fruit).
under the picture they state: "why not envision yourself already enjoying peaceful and rightous conditions in paradise?".
the fact is that the watchtower society has not been able to deliver on their promise of a new world order so, just pretend!.
Delayed reaction, gringoj?