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  Earthquake in the Middle East (Urgent)

  by EliJah in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  19 and the great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell; and babylon the great was remembered in the sight of god, to give her the cup of the wine of the anger of his wrath.

  20 also, every island fled, and mountains were not found.

  21 and a great hail with every stone about the weight of a talent descended out of heaven upon the men, and the men blasphemed god due to the plague of hail, because the plague of it was unusually great.. meaning: the nations are of the twelve tribes of israel in the middle east.

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  OldSoul

  Caedes: just before you post you might like to consider hitting alt-f4 just before submitting it will make your posts much easier to read.

  ROFL!!! Wiping tears...funny
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  Can true Christianity have some false prophets and still be true Christians

  by booker-t in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know this sounds like a "totally" stupid question and i don't mean to offend religious people but i was talking to two jw's elders the other day at my apartment.

  they came by even though they know i am disassocated and don't want to go back to the wt.

  they think they can convince me that they are the truth and i would go back.

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  OldSoul

  In the case of Nathan, initially Nathan made an observation in the capacity of a human. He was not speaking as a prophet. In the very next verse he begins speaking in his role as prophet and eventually makes very clear that David will not build the house. (2 Samuel 7:1-17) Anyone who compares that to a teaching of false prophecy that spans more than 100 years—namely, that the generation that saw Christ enthroned in heaven would not die before Armageddon— is grasping for straws.

  Respectfully,
  OldSoul
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  Can true Christianity have some false prophets and still be true Christians

  by booker-t in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know this sounds like a "totally" stupid question and i don't mean to offend religious people but i was talking to two jw's elders the other day at my apartment.

  they came by even though they know i am disassocated and don't want to go back to the wt.

  they think they can convince me that they are the truth and i would go back.

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  OldSoul

  IMO, using Jonah as an example of a false prophet is a little off base. The Bible shows examples of God changing his judgments based on people's reactions prior to the timing of that account. If the Ninevites had not repented they would have been destroyed. Their reaction softened the judgment, but later when they returned to the same practices the judgment that had already been passed still stood as valid.

  God responds to circumstances, that doesn't invalidate the prophecy. It is called mercy and consideration.

  Again, Jonah wrote that God told him to proclaim that message and was angry that the message did not get fulfilled. It did not get fulfilled because the people repented.

  Are we to understand that the world repented between 1878 and 1914 and that's why Armageddon was delayed? Then they repented again in 1925 so the ancient worthies wouldn't come back? And due to the repentance of the wicked we couldn't throw away our crutches and spectacles in the years shortly following 1925 and leading up to Armageddon? And because of the world's sincere repentance the date for the invisible enthronement moved from 1878 to 1914? And then the end of 6,000 years of man's existence doesn't mean Armageddon coming speedily because of repentance of the world. And then the meaning of a "generation" changed into something completely different in 1995 because people repented of their errors?

  It just doesn't make sense. At all.

  Respectfully,
  OldSoul
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  Can true Christianity have some false prophets and still be true Christians

  by booker-t in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know this sounds like a "totally" stupid question and i don't mean to offend religious people but i was talking to two jw's elders the other day at my apartment.

  they came by even though they know i am disassocated and don't want to go back to the wt.

  they think they can convince me that they are the truth and i would go back.

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  OldSoul

  In the case of Jehovah's Witnesses, 100% of the prophecies spoken in the name of Jehovah have been thoroughly revised either prior to or after the original prophecy failed to occur. Most of the revisions have occurred after the fact. Not one single prophecy has been fulfilled as orginally prophesied.

  Jesus said to "be on the watch for the false prophets" who would come appearing to be sheep but were actually "ravenous wolves." In this context he said, "By their fruits you will recognize them." Well, what identifying fruit does a false prophet bear? Deuteronomy 18:21, 22 cannot be stated more plainly. They speak in Jehovah's name a word that does not occur.

  It would be one thing if they called C.T.Russell, J.F.Rutherford, and F.W.Franz false prophets, but they do not. They hold them up as examples of honorable men doing the best they could to discern the meaning of Scripture.

  In closing, while I might allow for some things to have been "overeager anticipation," I would still have to see a recognition that it was false prophecy however much it was expected to come true. Calling it something else or denying what it was removes all basis for confidence in the new batch of expectations.

  Respectfully,
  OldSoul
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  astrology and compatibility with your mate....a grain of truth???

  by kid-A in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  let me start off by saying i dont believe in astrology and most certainly not horoscopes.

  having said that, i have often considered the real possibility that the time and season of the year we are born in can dramatically influence our pre-natal development and the resulting personality, i dont think this has anything to do with "stars" or cosmology, but we do know that babies born in certain seasons or months are more prone to certain illnesses, temperaments etc.. i'm an aries and had a really lousy relationship with a "cancer" for many years.

  she always pointed out that all of the compatibility charts state that aries and cancers are fundamentally incompatible and it turned out....she was right!!

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  No Dammit! I am offended by this discussion and it must be set straight! Belief is zodiac signs is my religion and I demand satisfaction from anyone who disagrees with it!

  I particularly demand satisfaction from those who disagree with it who are heterosexual females between the ages of 18 and 34

  ~wonders whether his demand for satisfaction will be satisfied~

  OldSoul
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  14 years later- still a wreck! What's up with me!

  by doffy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  the listener said on an earlier postyou've been out for awhile, perhaps your insight will help some of us who are still in the exiting process.

  which was a lovely thing to say, and made me feel 'valued' (thanks listener!).

  but, you know, 14 years on, and there are times, when i feel like i just left.. i took the children to the pictures yesterday (to see 'wallace & grommit').

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  OldSoul

  I guess you figured it out, Doffy, but in case you still don't have it yet...you ask:

  What's up with me!

  We answered (in summation):

  You're normal.

  Every one of us needs to be reminded sometimes. It is normal to feel pain, discomfort, anxiety, and so on. You have been treated like crap. Your reaction may be different than someone else's, but any reaction is precipitated by and is in direct response to what you have experienced.

  Wondering what is wrong with you might keep you from realizing you aren't the one who's the most screwed up. She didn't speak to you and tried to ignore you. What has she experienced that made her react that way? Years of indoctrination from false prophets.

  Respectfully,
  OldSoul
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  Is baptism a contract with God or with the Watchtower org?

  by JH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  getting baptized should be between you and god, and the watchtower should bud out of your personal relationship with god, right?

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  OldSoul

  Unlike the First Century, prior to baptism a baptismal candidate among Jehovah's Witnesses enters into a verbal contract between an individual and Jehovah, and a verbal contract between an individual and an earthly organization. Baptism itself is not a contract.

  However, there is no indication of Cornelius or his family having to meet a question and answer criteria prior to being baptized with Holy Spirit and then with water, and there is no record of any individual in the First Century verbally attaching themselves to any earthly organization prior to baptism. It is simply an Unscriptural practice. A false doctrine and a tradition of men that has stood in the place of Scriptural procedure as part of a "fence around the law" of the Christ.

  Respectfully,
  OldSoul
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  Why is the month of October Special to JWs

  by skin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  who else has been told that the month of october is a special month because in the past jehovah has fulfilled many prophecies in that month.. we have been told this twice in the last 2 book studies.. examples are: hand writing on the wall in daniels book happened on 5/6th october 539 bce, .

  jesus was born in october 2 bce,.

  kingdom rule started in october 1914, but the most interesting one is that ww1 started in october of that year.has anyone else been told this?.

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  OldSoul

  Also, "At a time you do not think to be it..." And he was talking to his disciples.

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  Mormons/LDS

  by Evanescence in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what would your views be on mormons?.

  was there much incidences where jw's and mormons would ever catch eachother while going door-to-door?.

  just curious cause both of you do it and wondered if there was ever any conflict between the two..... evanescence

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  OldSoul

  LT,

  You have some sort of eclectic pot? No wonder I reacted so strangely.

  "Look. If I went around sayin' I was Emperor just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!"
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  Why is the month of October Special to JWs

  by skin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  who else has been told that the month of october is a special month because in the past jehovah has fulfilled many prophecies in that month.. we have been told this twice in the last 2 book studies.. examples are: hand writing on the wall in daniels book happened on 5/6th october 539 bce, .

  jesus was born in october 2 bce,.

  kingdom rule started in october 1914, but the most interesting one is that ww1 started in october of that year.has anyone else been told this?.

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  OldSoul

  It's special because of their unique way of celebrating Halloween. They turn off all the lights and stay really quiet, pretending to be householders in field service, and listen to the knocks on their doors until the last of the footsteps retreat into the distance.

  OldSoul