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  Why do you post?

  by Xena in

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  threads, posts within threads...life events, doctrine, hopes, dreams, drama.....what causes you to post here?

  what do you feel you get from it?

  or give to others?.

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  OldSoul

  Okay, I figured it out. Catharsis. I post here 'cause being invisible gets old...

  Peace,
  B_Ing Invisible
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  Is it Legal or not?

  by wizedup in

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  i noticed in phil: 1:7 all my translations say, "it is right for me to feel this way about all of you, since i have you in my heart; for whether i am in chains or defending and confirming the gospel, all of you share in god's grace with me.

  the nwt inserted ".... defending and legally establishing of the good news.

  they footnote it to acts 25:11 where paul says he's willing to die if he's deserving out of wrong doing....then " if, on the other hand, none of those things exist of which these men accuse me, no man can hand me over to them as a favor.

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  Maybe I just don't understand the significance of the verse in the context you gentle men are discussing it... the application to doctrine can diverge broadly from the meaning translated. Case in point, Proverbs 4:18
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  Is it Legal or not?

  by wizedup in

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  i noticed in phil: 1:7 all my translations say, "it is right for me to feel this way about all of you, since i have you in my heart; for whether i am in chains or defending and confirming the gospel, all of you share in god's grace with me.

  the nwt inserted ".... defending and legally establishing of the good news.

  they footnote it to acts 25:11 where paul says he's willing to die if he's deserving out of wrong doing....then " if, on the other hand, none of those things exist of which these men accuse me, no man can hand me over to them as a favor.

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  Yes, I can provide a reference. It had nothing to do with Bible commentary, so that might explain why you couldn't find it. It was a work relating to the Greek words used in ancient Greek literature (a casual interest of mine) that made a reference to Strong's insufficient treatment of the word "bebaiōsis" and its distinction from "bebaioō." That caught my attention since I wasn't expecting any discussion at all of Strong's lexicon. I paraphrased it, I didn't quote it directly.

  It will take some time to find it again though. But the word "bebaiōsis" is present in legal documents from the time, used in this sense. You might be able to find those references more quickly, because that was how I verified the cursory reference.

  The operative particle "kai" translated "and" is the division point between the two translated terms. It isn't possible for a student of Greek to miss a particle that conveys a clear transition between "apologia" and "bebaiōsis," so "defending and legally" wasn't what was translated from "apologia," only "defending" would have been. The interposed word "kai" joins two distinct concepts, so "legally establishing" is what the other side, or "bebaiōsis," was translated into.

  You will probably understand more after you check your mail... (sorry, more code)

  Respectfully,
  B_Ing Invisible
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  Awake Caption time!!!

  by doodle-v in

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  add your own caption or title to this awake cover.

  here is the original one:.

  here is a blank one for you to use:.

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  OldSoul

  Too easy! Where is the nuance? Where the mystique? Nothing about it makes me think. Where's the double entendre?

  Oh yeah... there is none in the original either...
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  What is the truth?

  by OldSoul in

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  pontius pilate asked, and now i'm asking.

  i've been reading many topics in here, now i am wondering... what is truth?

  i'm both respectful and broadminded enough to allow for any other viewpoint, whether or not i agree.

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  OldSoul

  I'm getting by, with a little help from my friends. I have a little faith in my freinds...

  I take it you were considered an oddball in the hall who never "progressed" spiritually to the point of ever serving in a position? I say this because you don't even resemble a Jehovah's Witness. You lived a lie as one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

  As I said, gumby had it closest so far. I'm not living a lie. I am being true to myself, and loyal to the people I dearly love in the best damned way I know how. Other than that one tidbit of difference, gumby got it right. Almost as though gumby knew me... almost.

  Which is pretty remarkable seeing as how neither Steve or Joy ever picked up on it even though both of them were looking right at what gumby saw my posts. I think HICFlyGirl sort of figured it out, though.

  Someone mentioned an odd code? I agree, I suppose. That can be all that is left to those who choose what I have chosen.

  Respectfully,
  B_Ing Invisible (get it?)
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  Is it Legal or not?

  by wizedup in

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  i noticed in phil: 1:7 all my translations say, "it is right for me to feel this way about all of you, since i have you in my heart; for whether i am in chains or defending and confirming the gospel, all of you share in god's grace with me.

  the nwt inserted ".... defending and legally establishing of the good news.

  they footnote it to acts 25:11 where paul says he's willing to die if he's deserving out of wrong doing....then " if, on the other hand, none of those things exist of which these men accuse me, no man can hand me over to them as a favor.

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  OldSoul

  G951 - βεβαίωσις - bebaiōsis beb-ah'-yo-sis

  From G950; stabiliment: - confirmation.

  G950

  - βεβαιόω - bebaioō - beb-ah-yo'-o

  From G949; to stabilitate (figuratively): - confirm, (e-) stablish.

  The term from which "legally established" was drawn is "bebaiōsis" (the Strong's Greek Lexicon numbers are provided for reference). The King James Version rendered it "confirmation" but the denotation at the time in which Paul penned the words was to "legally confirm" or "establish basis in law." Being a lawyer, after writing "defend" (the word Steve explained very well) this word adds weight to the just described activity of legal defense of by including legal argument in favor of, or "confirmation of."
  

  Both of which he did to great effect as recorded in Acts. The two terms Paul uses here discusses the entire legal spectrum in one phrase "apologia kai bebaiōsis". Such inclusiveness of application is typical of Paul's writings.

  The word "kai" is always a copulative and sometimes a cumulative speech particle. The terms on one side of "kai" would never be confused for the terms on the other side. No one would make that mistake.

  Respectfully,
  B_Ing Invisible
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  a little confused....

  by gerbils in

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  i've been brought up as a jw, and i am now 20 years old, am away from home at university and have an agnostic boyfriend.

  not your ideal jw girl by any means!

  all my jw mates are baptised now, and i've managed to hold off til now.

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  OldSoul

  Try asking those pressuring you whether you should get baptized to please them, or whether you should wait until you are certain you want to serve Jehovah. A direct approach may save you and your family a lot of heartache later, and anything you decide should be based on your informed choice.
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  What is the truth?

  by OldSoul in

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  pontius pilate asked, and now i'm asking.

  i've been reading many topics in here, now i am wondering... what is truth?

  i'm both respectful and broadminded enough to allow for any other viewpoint, whether or not i agree.

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  OldSoul

  Neigh! Neigh! But far other wives...

  Yeah, I am aware of the malapropisms, that's what makes it humorous... you know, like the bone in your arm.

  And how's frankie?

  Peace,
  Stl_b_ing Invisible
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  To what extent do the elders keep information on us?

  by JH in

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  i remember a few years ago, i changed congregation, so the elders told me that they had to send my folder to the other congregation.

  when i was baptized, i don't remeber them telling me they kept information on me, and that they would pass it around to other congregations if ever i moved.. i wonder what kind of information is kept in these folders.

  probably everyone in the congregation has his hours listed and the privileges they had written in it, but maybe there is alot more written that we don't even know about.

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  OldSoul

  VM44: When asked directly the Jehovah's Witnesses will answer "No, we do not maintain membership roles"

  Technically, there is a both an organizational and a legal reason we are not members. Members of an organization have "joined" the organization, much as most Christian religious adherents do.

  For purposes of legally being able to disfellowship and encourage shunning in many countries, including this one, no one "joins" Jehovah's Witnesses - they "become" one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Once they declare themselves willingly submissive to the authority of the organization (although whether an underaged person can even legally do so is iffy) binding themselves by verbal contract to that authority, they may be disfellowshipped at will, shunned, and legally subjected to humiliation if they ever wish to return with very little recourse.

  So the reason they can truthfully say they don't keep membership rolls is because there are none to keep.

  Respectfully,
  B_Ing Invisible
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  Why do you post?

  by Xena in

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  threads, posts within threads...life events, doctrine, hopes, dreams, drama.....what causes you to post here?

  what do you feel you get from it?

  or give to others?.

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  OldSoul

  [in Stewie's voice]

  I am surprised at you... although I can't think why. I should think the answer is obvious! I would have to be DEAD to wear such a hideous hat, well... unless that mammary glanded fiend offered me tapioca to temporarily buy my cooperation... but either way, I certainly wouldn't enjoy the experience. Here is proof!

  Besides all that, this wretched imposter looks nothing like me!