already got a thread on intelligence but any of you care to state what your measured iq is/was last time you checked 9had it checked)
stillajwexelder: I am a member of MENSA
Cool! If you have been a member for some time you can verify or correct my instinctual viewpoint. Was my impression correct? Is the "table" primarily a biosocial environment for the ultra-intellects to get together and enjoy discussions on topics that would make the folks back at the office water coolers need to pop some Tylenol or Advil?
Curiously,
OldSoul
straight away told im not ready for baptism, not with the amount and depth of questions, that ive been warned about these sites and that apostates will do anything to knock jws.
proving its the true religion bec the bible says it will happen (shows me scriptures).
also told it doesnt happen with any other religious group - usually people just quietly leave and make no fuss - further proof that ths is the true religion.. i asked about all the dates where predictions were made, eg 1914, 1975. was told there were some articles loosly talking the 'possibility' of something happening, but the wt never said it definitely would - how could it, these are just ordinary men, not profits.
holly: 'so you giving up studying me'. 'yes' you need to find the answers to all your questions. ive told you as much as i can and if you still have so many questions, it obvious your heart isnt in the right condition at this present time'
Okaaaaayyyy? Holly, er um, can you picture Jesus casting his disciples aside the third time they questioned him about whether he was going to restore rulership to Israel now? They were full of questions for three-and-a-half years! Jesus did not stop studying with them. Whose example is followed?
In the Bible, "right heart condition" = "ardent desire to fill your spiritual need."
Among Jehovah's Witnesses, "right heart condition" = "grudging acceptance of everything the Faithful and Discreet Slave say for the reward of life in the new system."
Take heart, holly. They don't want you. That is a pretty good indication that Jehovah does.
Respectfully,
OldSoul
i was raised roman catholic but stopped going about 25 years ago.
i was talking with someone i work with who is a jw and suggested i might look into it.
so here i am.............
Ask any Witness whether it is alright for them to harbor thoughts not approved by the Faithful and Discreet Slave. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
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i heard from my bethel contact that the magazines are to be published monthly from 2006 and 2007. only 12 mags a year, but 46 pages each with no colour illustrations.has anyone else heard about this cut back?
i also heard there is to be a new song book in the summer so that witnesses no longer sing about "sheep and goats" and other "old light".
I just wish I wasn't. I wish it was all true what Jehovah's Witnesses believe, but I can't believe it anymore. It is all your fault here on the forum. I have been reading your stuff to long. My mind has been poisoned.
Maybe you need to find a trusted friend and talk it over, someone you can trust to give you their straight feelings without being hypocritical or critical.
already got a thread on intelligence but any of you care to state what your measured iq is/was last time you checked 9had it checked)
sunnygal: i.e. they are all a buncha intellectual snobs...
I don't think it is intentional, but yes, it seems that way to me. My wife and I happened to stay in a hotel while it was hosting a minor Mensa shindig. A group comprised of members unwilling to shell out the dough to attend the monster gala in Vegas stormed a small hotel in the upper mid-west. Beer flowed freely, casual sex between nerds geniuses seemed not too uncommon, there was a strange sort of flailing arrhythmic dancing going on in one of the conference rooms, espoused theories boomed down hallways amidst arguments over the nature of water - seemed like they were having fun.
It was interesting, from an outsider's perspective, but I wouldn't want to attach myself to that group of people any more than I want myself attached to Jehovah's Witnesses. Plenty of talk but they don't do anything, at least not as Mensa in any case.
Peace,
OldSoul
i dont "get" the whole 1914 thing.
the 'prophetic rule'?
day fer a year?
I have every intention to exposing Jonsson's fraudulent hypothesis so you had better get used to it.scalar
Road to hell ... you have yet to present anything beyond random incoherecy and tall tales which you "substantiate" by ... nothing at all, wispy ghosts of illogic.
You ask why atheists are coming out to stomp you into the ground? Because doing that is so easy, even atheists find it difficult to resist the temptation. You presume it is fear? Fear of what? That you will state your unfounded claim of chronological agreement again? Fear that you might actually stop claiming secular support and might actually present your supports?
I am a clown. Thank you for noticing. I wasn't sure if it shined through clearly, but I like to make people laugh. Chuckle on, my good man, chuckle on.
Disdainfully,
OldSoul
already got a thread on intelligence but any of you care to state what your measured iq is/was last time you checked 9had it checked)
My percentile scores on three different IQ tests were in the 99th percentile - 99.3, 99.45, and 99.6. I was told that means Mensa would take me based on any one of those percentiles.
On checking the organization out I realized that they don't do anything, beyond give very smart people a comfortable biosocial atmosphere. I think more benefit comes to humanity through interchanges between all spectra of human experience and perspective, without regard to intellect, money, or prominence.
Respectfully,
OldSoul
some big fat liar made sumthin up again!
looky here what i went and found in the bible!
remember that little dove that desended down on jesus right after he was baptised by john?
Gumby: until someone showed the product was flawed.
No offense intended, but I'm still waiting ...
Gumby: I notice you artfully skirted the request that you explain why that chronological detail matters.
No offense intended, but I'm still waiting ...
Gumby: I just raised a simple question regarding the basis for your accusation.
No offense intended, but I'm still waiting ...
Gumby: Your hypotheses couldn't even take a single simple question.
No offense intended, but I'm still waiting ... while you delight yourself with grand claims of having doused the Bible good with a heaping pile of Shiite (although where you got the heaping pile of adherents to Islam is still a mystery to me). Your claim has not stood the test of a single simple question. You have presented no direct response or substantiation.
Now you claim there are many more proofs and that this particular one was insignificant? Can I expect more dogmatically ranting claims that fall apart under brief scrutiny, or do you actually have something that can stump me? I am simply turning the critics eye back on your logic, that shouldn't prevent you from making your case if it can be made - it should only cause you to be certain of your stance.
It is an interesting proposition, you will attempt to prove the Bible false by presenting apparent contradictions while I question the basis for your opinion that they are contradictions at all. Since the Bible NEVER purports to relate every detail of any event or of anyone's life, you may find yourself quickly out of contradictions.
Whenever you are ready, you may begin.
Respectfully,
OldSoul
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for some exiting jw's, they are "true believers" as far as some of the key doctrines of the wtbts are concerned, but they feel trapped in an organization that seems far removed from its original principles.. do you think the bible students are a relatively healthy alternative to the wts machine?.
I think that is a noble objective, jgnat. I'm just not sure it is wise to position ourselves as a conduit from "something horrible" to "something else that either is or may become horrible." The real issue at stake is helping the person to become whole and capable again. This means determining whether the person has developed enough spine to walk on their own. If that hasn't happened yet, it would only be a matter of time before they are ensnared again by something or someone else. (James 1:5-8)
jws are convinced they alone have the truth.
they are scripturally trained to prove to others why they are "in the truth".
from your vantage point, how can you show this is untrue??
I prove them wrong by turning to Matthew 24:45-47 and asking one simple thing of them.
Using only scriptures, because we have to let them interpret themselves, please prove that the Faithful and Discreet Slave is responsible for revealing new light to me.
Then I show them what the Bible says. I can't use the Bible to disprove their beliefs, I can only use it to demonstrate what it says.
Respectfully,
OldSoul
