Posts by OldSoul

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name the bunny

by fairchild in

jw
friends

yes, i am stuck in this game again.

i can't go on until i find the name of this character.

http://www.simplecodeworks.com/mazito-2/lobster/index.html

What's my role here????

by bythesea in

my daughter (29)is expecting our first grandchild first of nov (not that i trust dates!

) and i plan on being there for the birth.

my dilemna is that i am trained as a doula(labor coach), and have assisted some of her friends in their birthings, but now that its my daughter's turn i'm worried about how to handle it!

OldSoul

I would recommend being Mom. You will have a hard time separating the roles, she will have a hard time, too. I think it would be better if you are just Mom, this time.

Then again, what do I know...I have a penis.

OldSoul (of the "men don't know s*** about birthing babies" class)

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the meaning of daniel 4:10-17 is found in daniel 4:20-27. i am going to place the interpretation daniel gives for each element beside the interpretation given by the christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses.. i invite any witness to explain why the interpetation given in the bible is open to re-interpretation of a later fulfillment that does not correspond, on a single element, with the orginal interpretation.. .

from daniel 4:20-27. daniel's interpretation.

the tree that you beheld.... it is you o, king.

OldSoul

The meaning of Daniel 4:10-17 is found in Daniel 4:20-27. I am going to place the interpretation Daniel gives for each element beside the interpretation given by the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses.

I invite any Witness to explain why the interpetation given in the Bible is open to re-interpretation of a later fulfillment that does not correspond, on a single element, with the orginal interpretation.

From Daniel 4:20-27	Daniel's Interpretation	Re-interpretation
The tree that you beheld...	it is you O, king	The tree...symbolizes the universal sovereignty of Jehovah
Chop the tree down...with the beasts of the field let its portion be until seven times themselves pass over it	You they will be driving away from men, and with the beasts of the field your dwelling will come to be...and seven times themselves will pass over you	God himself had [His earthly] sovereignty chopped down and banded in 607 B.C.E. when he used Nebuchadnezzar to destroy Jerusalem.
leave its rootstock...with a banding of iron and of copper...	your kingdom will be sure to you after you know that the heavens are ruling.	To enthrone the Messianic King, Jehovah loosened the symbolic iron and copper bands around the “rootstock” of his own sovereignty.

How is an additional fulfillment of this prophecy indicated? It is not.

Why would Nebuchadnezzaar, as a person, ever be used to represent the universal sovereignty of Jehovah? It would not.

In what way did Jehovah's sovereignty dwell with the beasts of the field for seven times? It did not.

What indicates that the seven times mean something other than what these verses state they mean? Nothing indicates that.

Why did Jehovah need to "know that the heavens are ruling?" He did not.

Please, feel free to explain it. If you can. (You cannot) Without this prophecy having a second fulfillment there is no basis for holding 1914 as having any special significance at all. To believe that this prophecy has a second fulfillment we have to take the word of men who claim authority from God: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/98798/1708287/post.ashx#1708287

If they do not have God's authority to speak for him, and they speak for God anyway, then they are false prophets.

OldSoul

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The 1914 Doctrine and The Threat of the Egibi Business Tablets

by VM44 in

could the watchtower and the jehovah's witnesses survive the discarding of their 1914 doctrine?

the doctrine that in 1914 the end of the gentile times took place, jesus took up rule in heaven.

for some reason the jws think the outbreak of world war i in 1914 is proof their prophetic calculations were correct.

OldSoul

Not meaning to muddy the water again, but I would like to add something for the benefit of any lurkers.

This cognitive dissonance you are witnessing from Scholar is caused by a necessity to prove that Daniel 4:10-17 means Jesus started ruling in the heavens in 1914. Jehovah's Witnesses insist that is the case, and the only way their uncanny numerology could be true is if 607 B.C.E. is the date for the destruction of Jerusalem.

In other words, they take issue with the entire known world's view of history to try and establish their pet year of 1914 by Scripture. If you are thinking this sounds like twisting history and Scripture to fit dogma, give yourself a cookie, you're right.

OldSoul

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name the bunny

by fairchild in

jw
friends

yes, i am stuck in this game again.

i can't go on until i find the name of this character.

http://www.simplecodeworks.com/mazito-2/lobster/index.html

OldSoul

After that comes "time time" which should be "timeaftertime", "twotimes", "2times", or technically could even be "spacebetweentimes".

Only "timeaftertime" produces a Web page, it brings you to a dead end.

I discovered that I could only reproduce the path you took by getting the first room wrong. The first room asks for the 7th and shows a picture of the 6th. Try again, fairchild, from the beginning.

OldSoul

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Can any JW answer OldSoul's 4 questions about JW teachings scripturally?

by kwintestal in

i am waiting for any jehovah's witness to offer support in scripture of these four articles of faith: .

(1) the faithful and discreet slave is a class of people, .

(2) that the holy spirit directs organizations in addition to individuals, .

OldSoul

Toreador,

You would think at least one Witness would step up and try to answer. Even just offering the WT Scriptural proofs, if they exist, would be better than nothing.

[crickets chirp in the background]

As, [ahem!] as I said, er...um, so yeah...you would think at least one Witness would...try...to answer.

Shadow will be back on Tuesday to post, but even he hasn't tried to prove these points yet. His discussion so far has centered around proving that submitting to authority in general is okay, which is really quite a far cry from proving that submitting to a specific authority is required for salvation. I don't question whether it is okay to submit to authority.

Respectfully,
OldSoul

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THE MOTIVES OF GOOD JWS WHO POST ON THIS SITE

by steve2 in

while i think it's perfectly okay, i do wonder what motivates jws to post here and especially to also express views critical of ex-jws.

is it the freudian notion of "projection": the jw who denounces something in others that he or she is also guilty of?

hence, if a jw clearly denounces an apostate's faults, it must mean the jw is really against apostasy when it might be something he or she struggles with.

OldSoul

[edited at request of OldSoul]

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Honesty is the best policy

by ballistic in

jw
friends

honesty is the best policy.

in love.

it dosent seem to be working at the moment.

OldSoul

onacruse,

I think he is still a jw ex-elder. If I understood his name correctly.

OldSoul

25

Honesty is the best policy

by ballistic in

jw
friends

honesty is the best policy.

in love.

it dosent seem to be working at the moment.

OldSoul

There is a difference between honesty and cruel honesty. Honesty sometimes requires a foundation. In construction, a foundation is an example of thinking ahead and putting something in place to avoid future problems. A foundation for honesty may involve thinking ahead to avoid the impression of cruel honesty.

For example: My policy has always been to make known that I am an honest person very early on. I discuss with people that I will tell it as I see it unless they specifically ask me to do otherwise. If I couch something in softer terms, it is for the purpose of making the honest expression less acute. I don't water down the honesty though.

If my wife asks me my opinion about clothing I give it to her. I built this basis for our communication when we started dating. I told her, "If I lie to you in little things, you can't trust me in big things. If you ask me my opinion I am going to give you my opinion. Otherwise, how can you know whether to believe me when I tell you I love you?"

A foundation. It has helped us a lot, especially now that I am fading. We are able to maintain a fair degree of stability in our relationship judging from what I read here.

Respectfully,
OldSoul

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This One Is For Scholar And His Celebrated WT Scholars

by Honesty in

i have some quotes from several respected bible linguists regarding the new world translation: .

dr. julius mantey - "a manual grammar of the greek new testament" calls the new world translation "a shocking mistranslation".

dr. bruce metzger, late professor of new testament at princeton university -"a frightful mistranslation", "erroneous", "pernicious", and "reprehensible".

OldSoul

Well, if "good standing" means I can start preaching again any time I want and I am not on any restrictions...so am I.