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  Watchtower Changes Position On Sodomites

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why all the flipflops?.

  1886 sodomites resurrected = yes!“thus our lord teaches that the sodomites did not have a full opportunity; and he guarantees them such opportunity… it implies their awakening, their coming from the tomb.”—the divine plan of the ages, 1886, pp.

  110-111 (view pdf of these pages).

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  BluesBrother

  I found nothing more recent in Watchtower on line. The 1988 QFR is confusing. It says they are in Sheol and that those in Sheol get a resurrection. So how come they don’t?

  I mean Lot lived in the city prior to being dragged out ,and his extended family , it could not be a blanket judgement on all.

  Recently Steven Lett said that homosexuals would return in the res. With the same desires , so how does that work?

  That WT above says that us who reject the J W message get the same fate, just for failing to be convinced by the WTS... are we as bad as perverted rapists?

  All goes to show that the WTS knows nothing
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  The JW cult creates pessimistic personalities in all the PIMI congregants is my opinion

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i am not saying all jw congregants are pessimistic, but i would go as far to say all pimi jw congregants are pessimistic.. why do i say this, my wife is my measuring stick.

  she has barely an optimistic bone in her being.

  she will only focus on the bad parts of anything.

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  BluesBrother

  Without a negative view of things, the J W Organisation would not exist.

  How many times did you hear on a Thursday night “ We are looking for those who are ‘sighing and crying over world conditions, don’t waste your time with those who are self satisfied with their lot”

  I take as proof their application of 2 Timothy 3 to our times .....the one that goes

  ”Men will be lacking affection,disobedient to parents , disorderly, lovers of pleasure “ etc.

  (quoted from memory) If that is not a negative pessimistic attitude I don’t know what is. I never liked using that scripture.
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  Ministry school

  by road to nowhere in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is the purpose?

  the skits are not real.

  i have been assigned a reading again.

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  BluesBrother

  Ministry School?

  They did away with that years ago 🤔
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  “Do not gaze about!”

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so many changes in the 2013 nwt seem needless and spoil familiar phrases.

  take isaiah 41:10 in the nwt classic rendering:.

  do not be afraid, for i am with you.

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  BluesBrother

  There are many instances where I prefer the reading in the NWT that we grew up with, to the modern revised edition. It seems simplified and if they are true to form was designed more for ease of translation than accuracy.

  I particularly dislike the revision to Micah 6: 8 , as noted above, and the wording that Jesus rode a donkey rather than an ass . That may just be me but it just seems wrong.
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  C T Russell and His Numerology.

  by Lost in the fog in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i came across this older wt which i assume c t russell wrote the article.

  unlike modern practitioners of numerology who calculate a value for each letter of the alphabet, russell simply adds up the number of letters in each word to arrive at [horror of horrors] 666.. and he lists there on the page each one of the organisations that must accordingly be part of the great harlot with 18 letters [in english] in their titles, because 18 is clearly 6+6+6 or 666!

  strangely he hasn't stopped to think about another possibility for an 18 letter title.

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  BluesBrother

  So, the image was made in 1846? I wonder what that was?

  Jesus knew in advance that English would be the prevailing language of our times and provided a numerical code that rested on English, and modern spelling? Neat.
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  Further thoughts on the new media Center project

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the organization figured out that a big building project gives the rank and file something to be engaged in and excited about.

  it distracts them from their hamster wheel life.

  and it buys them another 5 years until the next big thing.

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  BluesBrother

  So Ramapo is the new big thing. I wonder if all those buildings will materialise or will it be cut back, like Chelmsford?

  The opening segment of that video describes the “appreciation the brothers have” for the Videos. All I hear are grumbles about how infantile they are
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  Watch out, here comes the Governing Body!

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a picture in this week's wt shows the annointed after being raised to heaven, when they start "smashing the nations".

  creepy!!

  i imagine am3 is out front, it seems like something he's eager for.

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  BluesBrother

  Checked the article and the picture does indeed show the anointed from today sharing in the destruction of the wicked non JW’s. .....

  NB lol at MightyV8... good job.
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  Do We Get A Clean Slate When We Die? (Watchtower View Examined)

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the watchtower teaches that the opportunity to be born again and enjoy complete justification with god ended in 1935, having been limited to only 144k since pentecost.

  so, it is very surprising that the watchtower embraces the death that is described in romans chapter 6, since this is the very death that is required to be born again…… which is denied to watchtower members!

  romans chapter 6, verse 7 is about saying goodbye to the old personality, the “old man” in the king james version.

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  BluesBrother

  The O/p claims that they teach that the “heavenly calling” to gather the Anointed closed in 1935. That used to be said , but now it appears open ended.

  Q.Box Wt 5/1 2007 p 30

  “On the other hand, as time has gone by, some Christians baptized after 1935 have had witness borne to them that they have the heavenly hope. (Romans 8:16, 17) Thus, it appears that we cannot set a specific date for when the calling of Christians to the heavenly hope ends.”
  
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  New Light on Sheep and Goats?

  by notsurewheretogo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  lloyd evans has just tweeted a video he will be releasing soon on the "change" to the meaning of the sheep and goats and when that is to occur.. i've missed any discussion on that on here or anywhere?

  it seems it was part of the 2020 annual meeting the gb had?.

  any info on this?.

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  BluesBrother

  Thank you Slimboyfat.. that link saved me a lot of looking. Very interesting, I view it as a tweak rather than a complete change of doctrine. They say that judgement will still be finalised and delivered at the end, but he is watching,listening and forming opinions now, so watch out!

  I suppose it amounts to the same thing. They say that at the end one has to be a functioning active Witness to be judged righteous, although the Bible does not say that.

  I wonder how this affects the view of those who die now..?

  in recent years dead relatives were always spoken of as in line for a resurrection because all judgement was future , but now ? I don’t know.
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  Two Quotes Jehovah’s Witnesses in Particular Need to Consider

  by PhilosophicalLogic in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  “he who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that.

  his reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.

  but if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion... nor is it enough that he should hear the opinions of adversaries from his own teachers, presented as they state them, and accompanied by what they offer as refutations.

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  BluesBrother

  The first one from JS Mill resonates with me and JWism. Especially this line

  ”Nor is it enough that he should hear the opinions of adversaries from his own teachers”

  That is exactly what they do. Books from WT refute evolution, discuss other religions, tell them suggestions for teaching Non Christians they meet but it is all selected and filtered through the WT teachings.

  They are strictly told never to accept literature from opposing groups. They believe they know all about it from their own Society. They are wrong!