Posts by TheListener

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Why the Clean out of top Management

by Poztate in

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it has been commented here that "soon" the do's will be history.

the co level will be "retired" at age 70 and the latest development was that the cobe can not serve after age 80. it would seem that there is a "cull" of top management.

in secular companys that would signal a radical change of directions ???.

TheListener

Perhaps the long term plan is to only have one elder in each congregation, sort of like going back to the days of the congregation servant. The newly unappointed elders would be assistants to the congregation servant - just like the old days before 1972.

Since the over 80s elders won't be eligible for this position it would fall to a younger more zealous brother than a feisty old older one.

This way the CO would only have to control one person, discipline or replace one elder per congregation if they didn't tow the line.

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The List, by "Prominent Bethelite"

by morloc in

i occasionally pop through here to catch up on the latest, but this time i'm going to pop my own post on here.. some of you internet oldsters may even remember this.

my first experience on the internet regarding discussions about jehovah's witnesses and the watchtower took place on a now-obscure usenet group, before i eventually stumbled across hourglass2.. during those days, there was a poster who went by the name "prominent bethelite," an otherwise anonymous individual whom i remember most for an extensive, exhaustive compilation of date-oriented remarks, predictions, and expectations by the watchtower organization down through the decades of its history.. it became known as "the list" and it's definitely lengthy... but a fascination look at the abundance of errant statements made through the watchtower's history.. if you're curious, it's been available for a long time on hourglass2's site, and can be seen using the link provided below.. the list, compiled by prominent bethelite (1999).

that's about it for this stop through here.

TheListener

Excellent! Thank you.

31

I hope this is the right place for this...

by moSIS in

please don't attack me if this is the wrong place!

i know that i definitely shouldn't be on this website, but i am to embarassed to ask anyone at my hall!

everyone would be so nice, but i just feel like i should know the answers already.

TheListener

Hi moSIS. KateWild provided the correct information regarding your 2nd CO meeting. I didn't attend the meetings for the last CO visit but my wife did and she seemed to have enjoyed it. Feel free to post afterward how it went.

I know some of us on JWN can come off as angry or intolerant but remember that there is a lot of emotional rawness here (since many of us come here to heal). The need to vent and warn others when given the slightest opening seems to be an unstoppable reaction.

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An interesting encounter with some sisters today.

by quellycatface in

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friends

when i got up to leave, i went over to their table and said "nice to see you", their faces were a picture.

gemma obviously told them i was da'd.

all i got were tight smiles, so i said to gemma "i like your hair like that" and left......

TheListener

Galaxie, perhaps just being strong and kind in the face of shunning is enough for one day.

77

Did You Go To The Memorial?

by minimus in

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friends

i didn't and i don't care about it..

TheListener

Sorry i would rather not say.

77

Did You Go To The Memorial?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i didn't and i don't care about it..

TheListener

I went with my wife. Same old ooutline as far as i could tell. No question for the kids about animal petting and no John 3:16 emphasis discussion. My guess is that some speakers might have gotten similar ideas from a website some use for illustrations and stuff.

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Is it normal to feel you have betrayed your spouse when you learn TTATT?

by BU2B in

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friends

i am trying to look at it from a believing mates perspective.

they married you as a jw expecting you to continue as one.

if you have kids, she enjoyed the stability of both spouses being united.. when you learn ttatt, you find out the wt is a dangerous mind control group and lies to its members and is hypocritical.

TheListener

I haven't read everyone's comments yet but personally I did feel like I betrayed my wife in a sense. She married me partly based on the fact that we believed the same things and could spiritually support each other. I felt like I had to be quiet and not rock the boat and that I had to apologize all the time for changing my beliefs. Someone close told me that marriage mates should be able to grow and change but still keep their relationship strong because a marriage is built upon many items. That same person told me that I needed to stop feeling apologetic and be loving, considerate, caring and supportive. I think that is how we ended up with our current situation of not discussing the elephant in the room and remaining mostly happily married. Of course, all of this will be put to the test as the kids get older and act like regular "worldly" kids and not witnesses. If anything bad happens I will be the first and only scapegoat for all issues. Because, you know that nothing bad ever happens to witness kids (lie lie lie).

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Did you count the time for your "hour talk"?

by compound complex in

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friends

hi fellow speakers (sorry, brothers only!):.

my first public talk, given in my early 20s, was actually a twenty-minute part of a symposium talk.

my pioneer partner friend and i each had twenty minutes and a "servant" had the concluding part.

TheListener

Counted public talk time of 45 minutes. Didn't count preparing time. I did not count time for any other talks or parts.

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Redhorsewoman from DriveslikeJehu

by Antioch in

hi redhorsewoman,.

i doubt you still log on here but i wanted to try.

i just wanted to thank you for arguing with me all those years ago on beliefnet.

TheListener

BTT.

I thought this old thread might be of interest again since I recently found out that another well known apologist on Beliefnet also stopped being a witness. His posting name was "Apologist" and he lead the way for the dub Beliefnet posters.

http://www.examiner.com/article/former-jehovah-s-witness-talks-about-his-journey-to-biblical-christianity

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Anyone remember the old Beliefnet Poster - Apologist?

by TheListener in

several years ago on beliefnet there was a jw apologist named "apologist".

he was very well written and defended the dubs very well.

he had several debates with auld soul and others on beliefnet which were fun to read.. i recently found out that the poster "apologist" is no longer a witness and does not consider them to have the "truth".

TheListener

Several years ago on Beliefnet there was a JW Apologist named "Apologist". He was very well written and defended the dubs very well. He had several debates with Auld Soul and others on Beliefnet which were fun to read.

I recently found out that the poster "Apologist" is no longer a witness and does not consider them to have the "truth". Here is a link to the article I read.

The article gives his real name - Edward Andrews. On Beliefnet "Apologist" put his real name at the bottom of his posts which is why I knew it was the same person.

http://www.examiner.com/article/former-jehovah-s-witness-talks-about-his-journey-to-biblical-christianity