Posts by TheListener

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Update: Last Nights Meeting

by FadingELD in

first of all i would like to think everyone for the support i recieved yesterday.

i would also like to shed some light on my past, hopefully this does not give it away as to who i might be.

my wife and i were both raised as jw, we were both baptized when were fifteen years old.

TheListener

Welcome FadingELD.

I can't tell you how much I appreciate you sharing your story.

You have shown a lot of courage and strength.

Don't beat yourself up too much over past judicial committee meetings. You did what you felt was right at the time and were trying to help. Now you are doing the same thing but in a whole different direction.

Of course, me telling you that may not make your guilt disappear. I think all ex-elders suffer some sleepless nights thinking about those they "helped".

I wish you the best of luck. If you need any support please pm me.

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exiting the watchtower

by jacethespace in

hi im new to this forum and am currently trying to exite the watchtower.for the past 12 months or more i have stopped going on the ministry.in august last year i stopped going to the meetings but depression kicked in and other symptoms and i returned to the meetings in april.i stopped going to the meetings again in july and did more research to see if this is a cult.but im having all sorts of symptoms.confusion of whats right and wrong, panic attacks when i go out, one minute i hate the watchtower the next i wonder whether this is the truth and wonder if ive been mislead by satan.i dont know who to trust and where to go from here.and none of my family was ever in the watchtower so i think they know somethings going on but they can,t understand what im going through.ive been in the watchtower since 1999 off and on, i finally got baptized in 2005 after what i thought was carefull examination of the truth.and whats worse is the elder i studied with when i came into the " truth" lives right next door to me with his wife, which plays all sorts of guilt trips on me and paranoia.

TheListener

Welcome to the board. I've read your posts and feel your pain.

PM me if you need talk.

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Public Talks To Be Discontinued!!! (NOT! - see page 8)

by minimus in

jw
friends

after the sunday culttower study is over, everyone will be expected to preach because the end is soooooooo close!.

[minimus i have added to the title so people can read yor correction.

otherwise i think people might just miss it.

TheListener

This would have been announced in multiple congregations. This would be major news to every JW.

One CO in one congregation wouldn't be making this announcement.

A letter to all bodies of elders would have went out and a planned announcement date given (just like the beginning of the donation arrangement and the release of the new organized book).

why would they write a letter shortening public talks starting in '08 and then have a CO make an announcement at a local KH that public talks are disappearing?

Sounds like Minimus' mother misunderstood or she has a rogue CO.

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An email from my Dad on Bible Chronology - Armegeddon's arrival

by eclipse in

i cannot provide any background info on my dad except to say that he is not an attender anymore, but is not apostate.. years ago, my dad showed me why he thought 1975 was wrong, and he gave me a date like 2011, 2012...back in 2004.. it actually made sense to me back then, and obve's posts reminded me of my dad's calculations..... only my dad's calculations were not based on addition or multiplying of random crazy numbers, .

but actually were logical assumptions based on the scriptures as he understood them.. here is his email to me...it might be lengthy, but it is easy to follow and understand.

(sorry for the large font, it was the font he used in the email.

TheListener

My research has told me that historians and anthropologists consider an ancient generation to be 15-20 years.

Modern generations are roughly 25 years.

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A Change in the Generation teaching, AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Tired of it all in

just wondering if anybody else has heard of a change of the generation teaching again and a change in some of the parables, this was heard by a friend of mine from a couple that was entering gilead(puke) and by a c.o.

just wondering if anybody else has caught wind of this, or if has been written in the new witness only wt.

TheListener

Welcome Brooke.

The 1995 generation change was a large reason for many dubs leaving the organization. It was a major shift in doctrine. A major shift in doctrine that the WTS blamed on the rank and file.

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Week long Elders school announced

by JWFreak in

jw
friends

at the agm it was announced that all elders in the us will attend a weeks 5 days kingdom ministry school next year.

there will be a different class held at patterson each week until all us elders have attended.

not sure about other countries.

TheListener

I'll admit to being torn on this one.

One on hand I can't imagine going to a week long course at Patterson. I remember the two week courses held in the early 70s, Schroeder taught them as I recall.

On the other hand I would absolutely love to sit there and here what the heck is going on. To see brothers from various parts of the circuit and talk over their issues both personally and congregationally.

If this does occur and a new elders manual does come out, I'll bet links to it will be posted here within weeks of its distribution.

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FYI on Ray Franz

by changeling in

spoke to cynthia the other day.

ray is with his publisher on a book tour in germany and eastern europe.

if you hail from that neck or the woods maybe you can shake his hand.. changeling.

TheListener

Did Cynthia believe Ray right away or did he have to endure the unbelieving mate syndrome that many of us are?

Did she come around to leaving the dubs right away? or did it take time?

Thanks

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Annual Bethel Meeting

by indahsempurna in

my parents just came back from the annual bethel meeting in brooklyn.

they said only 3 of the gb were there.

they felt the need to inform me of everything even though i was in a blur watching tv.

TheListener

Inda,

I really appreciate you starting this thread to share what you heard with us. Would it be possible next time to turn the tv down and take detailed notes (ok not on paper or anything but mentally)? This is not a meeting very many JWs get to attend - in fact it's down right slim pickin's on who goes. Any and all information is valuable.

Again, thank you so much for sharing.

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Happy Canadian Thanksgiving!

by jgnat in

i have much to be thankful this year.

hubby and i continue to work out (and enjoy) our differences.

my son has stayed off street drugs since february.

TheListener

Happy Thanksgiving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Acts 15 v 1Corinthians 8: Did Paul Disagree With The Governing Body?

by Justitia Themis in

i read an interesting statement in "the new testament in its social environment," by stambaugh and balch.

it referenced acts 15 and 1 corinthians as evidence that paul later disagreed with the jerusalem ruling and overturned it..on his own...without 'consulting' any group.

i found the following qfr on the cd-rom.

TheListener

Great thread.

TD you beat me to it as well. The WTS' answer to this issue is weak and ridiculous. And it weakens their anti-blood stance.