Posts by borgfree

) and for a year or so have been steadily leaving the org.it didnt amswer my questions or satisfy my needs at first- but then i started to do my own searching and found out alot of things that were just wrong.

my oldest daughter decided to da herself and i knew that i would never turn my back on her.

borgfree

Hi Sndy420,

When I left the organization I didn't know anything about other religions. Very fortunately for me, I met some helpful ex-jws who had moved on to a faith in our Lord.

I am what is known as a born again Christian, but I do not necessarily agree with everything every other Christian believes in. I answer only to our God and my Savior Jesus.

Remember, the purpose of congregations/churches, is for showing love and building each other up. I do not see meeting/church attendance as critical to pleasing God. I think it is for our benifit, and we would be wise to use the association, but I do not believe my salvation depends on church attendance.

Borgfree

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Indianapolis, IN or South Carolina?????

by waiting in

howdy, this is to try out our new "desperately seeking" forum -----some of us who have moved over the years......or are just not free to say outloud "i don't wanna be a jw!!!".

soooooooooo, i grew up in indianapolis, in - stayed until i was 30, primarily irvington congregation on 21st street (eastside) - anybody around there?

then kokomo cong.

borgfree

Hey Waiting,

I tried really hard to disagree with that statement but found that I just couldn't. Thanks.

Alana,

I think Glenn is closer to my age, the girl I am thinking about may have been his sister or cousin? I know Patsy Klein was getting popular about that time so I think maybe I have gotten the names mixed up over all of these years.

Borgfree

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Indianapolis, IN or South Carolina?????

by waiting in

howdy, this is to try out our new "desperately seeking" forum -----some of us who have moved over the years......or are just not free to say outloud "i don't wanna be a jw!!!".

soooooooooo, i grew up in indianapolis, in - stayed until i was 30, primarily irvington congregation on 21st street (eastside) - anybody around there?

then kokomo cong.

borgfree

Waiting,

I lived on the west side (everyone is thinking, that explains everything) but, no wierdo's in the 50s. (that I know of)

I actually lived at a place called Maplehurst Trailer Court, but our KH was more in toward town on west Washington. I had JW friends in a place called Tindle Town. Sort of an army type housing. The Hathaway's lived about 8 - 10 blocks from us.

There was a Klein girl about my age, I know I must be wrong, but it seems like her name was Patsy?

Borgfree

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WHAT ABOUT THE STUMBLING BLOCKS?

by You Know in

the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that if the watchtower falls short to a significant degree then it cannot be jehovahs organization.

thats why apostates are hopeful that if enough fault can be found with the organization and brought to the attention of the faithful, then they too will accept the conclusion that jehovahs witnesses are not who we say we are.

unquestionably, many have been stumbled over a multitude of stumbling blocks.

borgfree

ChristianObserver,

You got a lot of doubletalk, (doublespeak) from You Know. What Christendom is to the Watchtower Society is every Christian religion - except, Jehovah's Witnesses - But to most Jehovah's Witnesses Christendom has come to mean "every" religion except Jehovah's Witnesses.

Borgfree

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WHAT ABOUT THE STUMBLING BLOCKS?

by You Know in

the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that if the watchtower falls short to a significant degree then it cannot be jehovahs organization.

thats why apostates are hopeful that if enough fault can be found with the organization and brought to the attention of the faithful, then they too will accept the conclusion that jehovahs witnesses are not who we say we are.

unquestionably, many have been stumbled over a multitude of stumbling blocks.

borgfree

I congratulate all you posters. This thread has been read almost 800 times already. I am sure many of those, must be JWs looking for answers. I think the evidence you have presented has been outstanding. You will never know how many you may have helped. In the long run, maybe even YK.

Borgfree

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WHAT ABOUT THE STUMBLING BLOCKS?

by You Know in

the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that if the watchtower falls short to a significant degree then it cannot be jehovahs organization.

thats why apostates are hopeful that if enough fault can be found with the organization and brought to the attention of the faithful, then they too will accept the conclusion that jehovahs witnesses are not who we say we are.

unquestionably, many have been stumbled over a multitude of stumbling blocks.

borgfree

You paint a pretty picture of the organization, You Know. However, your picture is just like the "whitewashed graves" spoken of in the Holy Bible.

Two very serious wrongs in your story.

#1 and most importantly is that the organization does not recognize the Christ for who He really is, and they lie about Him. That's serious.

#2 the organization fully fits the description given in Deuteronomy of a false prophet. They, and you cannot escape that.

For those reasons alone, we should help everyone we can to get out of "her"

Borgfree

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for those who "grew up in the borg"

by zev in

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friends

at this late, middle stage of my life, i've started wondering, now that i know what i know, about the things in my life that i "lived" with.

having been raised all my life in the "borg" i have known nothing else.

when questions began forming years ago, it started me thinking.

borgfree

This is probably the hardest topic I could respond to. I cannot respond fully. As I have written before, I was born in our house, that was being used as a kingdom hall. We moved from that house when I was two years old, so I can tell when some things happened because of that fact.

Sometime, before I was two years old, my father, in his zeal for the organization, was trying to prepare us for the persecution ahead. I remember seeing our table covered with pictures of the bodies of the Jewish people in Nazi Germany. I do not remember the exact words but the idea was instilled in my siblings and me, that something similar would happen to us before the end of the system.

I think that the upbringing I had in the organization has been responsible for just about everything in my life, really, how could it not?

There were many times when I did wrongs in my life, thinking, "I will not live in the new world anyway, what difference does it make if I do right or wrong" I could never be good enough to please Jehovah.

There were times, even when very young, when I was forced to go from door to door, or to meetings, etc. when things happened that embarrassed me so much I will not even talk about them now. Times when I was sick etc.

I realize that the organization may not have been directly responsible for some of those things, but they were constantly telling their followers that the end was very near and we must put the preaching and other organizational matters above everything else. My parents took those teachings very seriously, so they of course, acted accordingly.

Some of you are not old enough to know how things were back in the 40s etc. the organization was a lot different back then, much stricter, more demanding, more blunt. We were living in a time of persecution because the second world war was going on, and there was very great patriotism in our country. Later there was the threat of communism, being called a commumist by people at the doors, in school, and elsewhere.

There is so much that comes to mind, we would never need the education, the end was too close. How does a child take education seriously, when the child is raised with that attitude?

I could write a very long book, that is of course, if I had the education to actually use proper sentence, paragraph, structure.

Even worse, I was somewhat like that with my own children.

Just a few thoughts that I hope may help someone.

Borgfree

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Your Favorite CHRISTIAN Music and Song!!

by D wiltshire in

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friends

what is your favorite verse of song?.

what bands do you like?.

what are some of your all time favorite song?.

borgfree

It's really easy to pick on the faults of Christians. We Christians are a very sinful lot, that's why we need a Savior.

I am personally very thankful for all of those "hypocrites" who fought and even gave their lives, maybe even sometimes singing "Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition" while serving their country and at the same time honoring God.

I wonder where we ex-JWs and JWs would be today if not for those "hypocrites"? Maybe we would not even have been born.

But, if it makes some happy to call those brave men names, then by all means, be happy.

Borgfree