i cannot forget this little girl.. ezekiel 34:12 this is what the sovereign lord says: i am against the shepherds and will hold them accountable for my flock.
i will remove them from tending the flock so that the shepherds can no longer feed themselves.
i will rescue my flock from their mouths, and it will no longer be food for them".
April,
Thank you for sharing what you're doing about this. Somehow, the thought of some light being shed in these very dark corners, gives me comfort. Perhaps another Laree or Kelli can be saved. It's worth a try.
You put everything I was feeling in my heart concisely into words, thank you.
Here's to justice for THEY..."who killed her by not caring...."
Thank you.
Love,
Bridgette
well, get ready to be shocked at the audacity!.
we have family who came in from costa rica today.
a cousin and his girlfriend.
Just adding my admiration! You are showing true, unconditional love. And, while it is spoiled brat behavior, it is sanctioned (NO, ORDERED), by the WTS. So, give them their share of culpability in this atrocious, uncivilized behavior. Their true colors are hanging out for everyone to see. They will either change or die out as a religion. I'm thinking they'll change.
Love,
Bridgette
i cannot forget this little girl.. ezekiel 34:12 this is what the sovereign lord says: i am against the shepherds and will hold them accountable for my flock.
i will remove them from tending the flock so that the shepherds can no longer feed themselves.
i will rescue my flock from their mouths, and it will no longer be food for them".
Celebrate, you said: "as a child you believe the problem is you! You are told the problem is you. Scripture is quoted to prove it is you!"
Sadly, this exacerbates the abuse. It is nothing short of (as I said) mind and soul rape. There is nowhere to turn as a child of a Jehovah's Witness if you are being abused. At every turn you are reminded that you are getting what you deserve.
Anyway, I've sent a link to www.silentlambs.org to the writers of the article in the Chicago Tribune. And I have made copies and shown them to people. Many people who are in positions to catch abuse.
Some part of Laree is going to live on if I have anything to do with it. Her screams will finally be heard! And no back turning in her congregatioin, or towels stuffed in her mouth will silence her screams for justice beyond the grave.
I will not forget you, Laree. I care.
Love,
Bridgette
stephen bates is at it again.
brother gillis will no doubt have a no comment on this one.. .
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,596231,00.html.
Yes! the story that won't die. We won't forget you, Laree. I hope, as you say, Mommy that this touches the humanness in everyone and they see this religion for what it is. They will either be forced to massively change and evolve and make ammends, or they will perish. This is big.
And Ballistic, your story--god, so sad. So common in the "ranks" of we who grew up as witnesses. Perhaps we should start a thread or even a web page with the stories of gore that happened at the hands of our parents, who were sanctioned in their actions by the religion we knew as GOD'S ONLY SPOKESPERSON ON EARTH. What a mind rape on a child. You equate what your parents are doing with god. No wonder so many of us are turned off FOREVER on religion, esp. Christianity (perhaps the only quasi positive) but god help them if Christianity is right. Their blood guilt is amassed to the heavens.
I have forgotten so much, but one time when both parents were "in" (my father was an elder, my mother a pioneer) and I was about 5--we were working in the rurals--I had to go to the restroom desperately. We had taken a break already--and you didn't take more than the alotted breaks. My father wouldn't even pull over. I was bursting. I had to go so badly, I began to hurt, I began to cry, and then wet myself. I tried to crouch in the floorboard, as I felt the warmth seep down my legs--I knew I was fucked. My mother began beating (not spanking, BEATING) me as I kept peeing and crying all over my father's brand new cadillac. I was so humilitated in front of the two young brothers that were with us.
It was great growing up a "gift from god"--in a Jehovah's Witness household.
They can't back track on this shit. They are responsible for every blow. They LOVE this! They'd spank the grown ups if they could. These are the people who said they'd kill apostates if they could.
Sickos. No children should have to be raised this way.
Love,
Bridgette
"they are gifts from god--he says use the rod"
one of my interests is the study of people's belief systems (more from an anthropological standpoint).
i've just begun to delve into judaism.
everything i've relied upon for their history, etc.
"Jesus' mission was more political than spiritual."
Good point, Cygnus. Christianity definitely seemed to serve a more political purpose--whether by design or not, I don't know. But it took a religion (old Judaism) that no longer really "worked" under the then pagan Romans and the vastly changing world, and made it more palatable (Christianity's rejection of the law, and the allowance for Gentiles to come in en masse with little "discomfort") It mass marketed Judaism, to the world of that time, so to speak. You can definitely see where Paul took, the political angle of Christianity and ran with it.
Then when the Catholics wrestled thier form of Christianity with that of the Gnostics', it evolved once again into even more political than spiritual.
Interesting points all. The consensus seems to be that Jesus was not out to form a break away religion. So, how did we get this monstrosity known as Christianity today? Is that what Jesus wanted all along? And what of the Jews?
Bridgette
p.s. Farkel, I think that this person known as Jesus was just a man. Jesus ben Pantera was a historical figure who lived at the time and was a political dissident as well as *gasp* the son of a prostitute and a Roman Soldier. It has been conjectured that Jesus Pantera and Jesus of Nazareth are one in the same (hence the virgin birth story). Any-hoo, I do think that he was probably a pretty enlightened person sans all the agenda'd additions attributed to him (many linguists do not believe much of what's attributed to him in the gospels are his words). But who knows?
one of my interests is the study of people's belief systems (more from an anthropological standpoint).
i've just begun to delve into judaism.
everything i've relied upon for their history, etc.
Celtic,
Can you elaborate?
one of my interests is the study of people's belief systems (more from an anthropological standpoint).
i've just begun to delve into judaism.
everything i've relied upon for their history, etc.
Thank you so much for all the posts. Somehow, I knew you wouldn't let me down, Penn! Great to see your post (I felt kinda bad for my parody on Marduke that one time).
Anyway, I kind of think he was indeed a historical figure and enlightened human who really understood what was behind all of the Jargon of Judaism at the time. But I do not think he meant to break away from Judaism.
About Paul. Do you really think he wished to break away from Judaism, so much as to practice reformed Judaism within the sect they'd created within Judaism? Sorry for the wording.
Anyway. just curious. My father-in-law is Jewish. Mostly secular, but a very learned man. It's got me curious about Judaism. One thing he pointed out was that the one common theme amongst the Jews at any time is they were allowed--even encouraged to question. Even (especially) the rabbi's. They revere education and higher learning and understanding. It's woven into their cultural and religious fabric. In fact, that's where much of the "christian" proselitizing (sp) was done, in the synagogues. They were obviously attending temple, and allowed to question and offer their interpretations of the Law. How different from the WTBTS--question the higher ups?!!? Promote deeper understanding of the universe?!?!? *GASP*
Anyway, are there any other Jews out there?
Has anyone ever heard of Jesus or (Yeshua) ben Pantera?
Curious
Thank you,
Bridgette
anyone have any experience with casting runes?
there's a book about it: "the book of runes," by ralph blum, that comes with a bag of 25 stones imprinted with an ancient viking symbol.. it sounds intriguing, but scary (due to the wts theology embedded in my brain).. supposedly the rune do not predict the future, nor provide specific advice, tho they are written with such wisdom that they seem to do all this.
when you analyze the messages, you see it's your own intuition that pulls what you need from the rune reading for your particular problem at the particular time.. any experience, 1st-hand knowledge, or ideas?
Nope, no problems with demons or the like. However, I don't believe in demons, and approach it with the knowledge that it is my own intuition. I'm not sure what someone's psyche could manifest if they're still strongly into the JW fear based mindset.
And also, you can still be an atheist and explore the unknown and "mystical". Just approach it with the scientific method, and critical thinking. As I said, these are ways to access one's own subconscious. I'm glad the great physicists of the world do not except everything in our current known reality as all we could ever possibly know, and close their minds to even exploring anything else.
Explore away! and enjoy your journey.
Love,
Bridgette
anyone have any experience with casting runes?
there's a book about it: "the book of runes," by ralph blum, that comes with a bag of 25 stones imprinted with an ancient viking symbol.. it sounds intriguing, but scary (due to the wts theology embedded in my brain).. supposedly the rune do not predict the future, nor provide specific advice, tho they are written with such wisdom that they seem to do all this.
when you analyze the messages, you see it's your own intuition that pulls what you need from the rune reading for your particular problem at the particular time.. any experience, 1st-hand knowledge, or ideas?
Patio,
I've not had much experience in Runes. My brother has some Runes that he made himself, more for the artistic interest than not. If he divines with them, he does not share with me.
You're absolutely right about it drawing up your own intuitive knowledge. Runes, Tarot, tea leaves, whatever (I personally use Tarot) are very open to interpretation. You must not put too much stock in them. That is, seek to surrender your own innate power to an inanimate object. What they are are tools. They are ways for your subconscious or higher self to communicate things to your consciousness. They are inkblot tests for your psyche.
Let me know how it goes. I will ask my brother what he's learned with his. I would love to know more. My e-mail is open, if you wish to share.
Peace,
Bridgette
one of my interests is the study of people's belief systems (more from an anthropological standpoint).
i've just begun to delve into judaism.
everything i've relied upon for their history, etc.
One of my interests is the study of people's belief systems (more from an anthropological standpoint). I've just begun to delve into Judaism. Everything I've relied upon for their history, etc. comes from Christianity, so I'm trying to go to the source.
Anyway, my question is, do you think that Jesus truly intended to set up an entirely different religion from Judaism? I know about the new covenant and the fulfillment of the law and all, but now that I'm reading more about Judaism, seems to me, he considered himself a Jew through and through.
I'm interested in what others think. Key word here, think. So, (and I say this respectfully) please any christians who may respond, do not try to convert me. I'm nothing but a sojourner asking a question.
Love,
Bridgette
