Posts by rebel8

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How can I ever leave this cult?

by Julia Orwell in

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i've been out nearly two years but it's not out of me.

i am on school holidays now til february so i thought without work to worry about i can come off my medication.

i phased it slowly, starting in early november to avoid the physical side effects of coming down.

rebel8

I'm sorry you are going through this, Julia. I'm relieved to hear you are getting medical treatment again and it's helping. I know lots of people want to go off their meds and have the same experience. It must be a tough choice to make.

I can personally relate to running into people, seeing the same streets, etc. I believe I started a thread called "geographic cure" on here that you may be able to find. It's not that I'm timid, feel guilty, etc. Not AT ALL. What I do feel is sick to my stomach when I see the places and faces related to (on a good day) the worst time in my life, or (on a bad day) the mental/physical abuse they systematically did for years and totally got away with it. It makes me relive the traumas.

I cannot believe how freeing it is to be in a totally different locale. I don't know if that's an option for you, and it isn't a substitute for healing, but it did help me. Shouldn't be necessary, but for me personally, it is. IMHO

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What laws are on your side (in the U.S.) so you can leave quietly

by oppostate in

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in another topic "just quit quietly - the law is on your side" there was a lot of discussion about how to leave quietly without getting tagged publicly as "no longer a jw".

here are some legal cases that could be used to show support for leaving quietly.. you have to first send a letter saying you're leaving that specific congregation, and that you don't want them to keep records of you.. if the boe says anything against you here are some court cases that make precedent for bringing a suit against them:.

baugh v. thomas (1970).

rebel8

Since you aren't DF'd they won't make the "no longer a JW" announcement.

They don't announce it when someone disassociates themselves? I am surprised to hear that.

Even though they don't announce the specific sin when announcing df, do they still read the scripture about 'not mixing in company, not even saying a greeting'?

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christmas

by venting in

i feel bad that i was not able to let my kids enjoy christmas.

i think it has alot to do with how you were raised.

for some i know christmas was not that big a deal.

rebel8

I am living both A and B. I have absolutely no difficulty with A, no more than I have difficulty with the Tooth Fairy or Scooby Doo not being real.

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What laws are on your side (in the U.S.) so you can leave quietly

by oppostate in

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friends

in another topic "just quit quietly - the law is on your side" there was a lot of discussion about how to leave quietly without getting tagged publicly as "no longer a jw".

here are some legal cases that could be used to show support for leaving quietly.. you have to first send a letter saying you're leaving that specific congregation, and that you don't want them to keep records of you.. if the boe says anything against you here are some court cases that make precedent for bringing a suit against them:.

baugh v. thomas (1970).

rebel8

Very interesting. I have changed my views a bit after reading that article.

I've pretty much believed it's best to not recognize their authority by resigning--just walk away. And that's probably still the best thing to do if you don't have the money that justice costs.

If you can afford justice, then perhaps you could resign via a registered letter citing these cases and stating your expectations as a former member, effective immediately.

These people really have no power, just the mental power we give them. Just stop going, walk away.

I see your point, but people's businesses, marriages, friendships and jobs can be harmed, as well as their reputation and standing in the community, by shunning, badmouthing, etc. They have the power to do a lot of harm. It would be nice for them to stop behaving that way.

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Just 2 questions regarding the U.S. law around sex abuse

by joe134cd in

i just have 2 questions regarding the u.s law around sex abuse.. (1) in this country it is quite common for the events of a sex abuse trial, to have suppression orders placed on it.

one i can think of was when the offender was given name suppression because to identify the abuser would also mean identifying the victim, so hence both were given name suppression.

now with regard to the out of court settlements and gag orders by the watchtower, and yes i do realise that the wt would have the most to benefit by doing this.

rebel8

Victims aren't always compensated. I think people in other countries tend to be told our justice system depends upon lawsuits, but that's not true. There's criminal courts too.

People who are angry probably want the perps to be held accountable. Perhaps being given money that requires the victim to keep quiet to protect perp's reputation makes them more angry. I can't say I blame them. Sometimes they were coerced into silence after the crime, so it could feel like the same thing is happening again.

wts, as a religion that claims to be god's one and only true channel, with rules about keeping the congregation clean, should be transparent. They used to practically announce reasons why they were dfing individuals right from the platform--the only reason they stopped that is probably because someone sued them for defamation (Barb Anderson?). That's their doctrine--we didn't make that, they did. Yet here they are doing the opposite of what they teach and practice otherwise. Hypocritical. Again, I don't blame anyone for pointing that out.

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Using New JW.ORG Merchandise to Share the Good News, t-shirts and painted JW.org toe nails!

by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker in

there are approved methods of preaching the good news about jw.org in style!.

caleb and his single mammy, tired of your child losing notes to his teacher, pin that note with a friendly, lively jw.org caleb and mommy button for a small fee!

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/356206651751072594/ with our rich hertigage of mixing organization with the skills of a saleman you knew this was bound to happen.. .

rebel8

Tacky.

I wonder if some dubs will actually believe this is a good witness, or will count it on their time sheets. "10 people commented on my toenails Saturday,so I can count my time. Then next month when I get my toenails done again, I'll count the manicurist as a return visits or whatever."

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Graduation and Pinning

by sooner7nc in

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giving my speech.

being pinned by my son.. .

the best day ever.. .

rebel8

congratulations!

what is pinning?

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Did you AWAKEN from the JWs by yourself?

by cultBgone in

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i was thinking about how so many posters here on jwn are frustrated and frantic to help their loved ones get away from the brainwashing of jws, and how much advice is given about how to help family members and loved ones.

i considered my own leaving and that it was internal turmoil based on the teachings getting weirder and child abuse issues, to name just a few, and it made me wonder:.

did you self-awaken or were you assisted by the gentle proddings of a friend or family member?

rebel8

People telling me such things as we actually evolved and the flood is not real was the main thing. I was not allowed to be exposed to any disconfirming information, and was required to leave the room when such concepts were taught in school. Had no one ever told me that, I wouldn't have known those fundamental things were false.

I was always skeptical and had a hard time believing the fairy tales, but I actually believed evolution was obviously false and the flood was obviously true, until others told me otherwise.

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