Damn dude, sorry you're going through this. Take care of your self and don't make big decisions for a while. Seems like you're really level headed about all of it, though.
WLG
wanderlustguy
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wife took it pretty well i guess...it's over...
by oompa ini guess it only took three years, but they were hell in so many ways for both of us...she was not happy and lived in denial as much as possible...i was not happy and lived in a bottle as much as possible and glad that is over for me....but it was one of the saddest things i have ever experienced in my life....as was the visit to my parents before i told her....but yes...she said she kind of expected it...was thinking something was going to happen soon as she noticed i had more and more trouble saying i love you back to her when she said it on the phone at the end of goodbyes...and when i was leaving the house...i had noticed it for over a year and it was killing me..... i told her how sorry i was for changing so much again....and that she still walks on water...and is a great person and so pretty....and that she will be ok because she was happy single before me for many years and had all she needs for that again...her closeness to jehovah and her freinds in the congregation...she is very close to both and will be ok i hope...it was very surreal....very calm...very sad.
my bitterness and disdain for wt rules came through when talking to my parents and i was very open about how i feel as to their upcoming shunning of me, and how it feels to my son since he was just 17....and how the fear of losing them had kept me trying in my marriage for the past few years...dad was firm in his position of future action....mom said they will still always love me...and will still talk to me until i get dfd.....oh how this hurts.....dad said there is a name for people who only live for themselves and deny god but could not think of what it was....i told him i was not living just for myself...that i am a good person and there are values from him and the bible i hope i always have....i cry so hard as i type this and tell you just so you can know how painful this is....i told him i so loved the rule of treating others how you want to be treated and have always done that...even allowing myself to be wronged on so many occasions to keep peace....... he said that was a good rule....i agreed and said it was a big one too....and that while i could do it...treat him the way i would like to be treated...he would not be able to!.......left as i became emotional...big hug from mom, but i just barely put an arm on dad............oompa.
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Why Some People are Better Off in Cults
by Dogpatch inwhy some people are better off in cults.
familiesthe family unit has always been the core of mankinds strength to survive sometimes insurmountable odds against nature, other men and the arbitrariness of life.
when you stand alone, you have no one there to hold you up, defend you or take care of you.. if, on the other hand, you are part of a nurturing family, you have access to the helps of others, and in turn are obligated to be there when another in the family suddenly needs you.
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wanderlustguy
The article is a great reminder of the responsibility we are taking if we decide someone "needs to know the truth about the truth". The consequences of their life change can be terrible to them in ways we may not realize at the start. Personally I made a decision to never try to get someone out anymore, but rather answer questions asked of me or volunteer information only to people on their way out already. Even then, I almost don't want to know too much. It took an organization that has millions of people and millions of years of combined experience in mind control, to try to reverse it in someone else without any training is asking for a bad situation.
I have so much respect for people that do the job though, it has to take a spectacular skillset in working with the human mind.
WLG
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How do you know the Bible is from God?
by cognac ini really want to believe it, but, sometimes it is very difficult to figure out how it can be from god.
i mean, in the old testament, he seems horrible in some instances.
the adam and eve thing doesn't make to much sense to me.
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wanderlustguy
Maybe a larger question is why do you have to believe the bible is from God when everything you are saying shows you otherwise? Do you have to have the bible BE from God or if you never ever saw one, would you believe anyway?
Isn't is interesting how we always have to try to make some other piece fit somewhere when in reality, if every bible on the planet was burned, your faith would be the same, wouldn't it?
WLG
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This is a perfect religion!
by life is to short inthis is perfect religion with imperfect people.
the elders are imperfect that is why there are problems.
we just need to endure because jehovah is allowing this as a test to see if we will still love him.
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wanderlustguy
6.I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. 7 Forming light and creating darkness, making peace and creating calamity, I, Jehovah, am doing all these things. - Isaiah 45, 6-7
This is someone to be worshipped?
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Does the Watchtower KNOW they are using mind control techniques?
by finding my way ini've read a few other threads about cult mind control as well as steven hassans book comabatting cult mind control.
i also read a thread questioning the watchtowers motives.
are they in it for the money or what?
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wanderlustguy
They have to be very aware of how much money they are making.
They are aware when they alter publications from original printing to bound volume.
So yea...I think they know.
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Think ive changed...can see it quite a bit laterly.PLEASE!!
by angel eyes inputting this out there.....going back 12months ago i was completely different to how i am now.
i am still loyal to jah and dont go against the scriptures, but even though ive recently returned to pioneering (only aux pio at present) i see im a little more laid back.. i think this has come through having to endure hell and back without any help, except jehovah, which im not complaining, im so glad his been there for me, for us both.
but i really believe that due to things that have badly and wrongly been allowed to take place etc its moulded me a little different to how i was.
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wanderlustguy
"I think this has come through having to endure hell and back without any help, except Jehovah."
How did Jehovah help you? As a witness, you probably should share your experience as an example of how Jehovah does help those faithful to him.
WLG
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Layin' some heavy stuff on ya'
by AK - Jeff inthree days ago i became aware that my daughter was arrested.
again.. here's a little history.
we adopted this child when she was 2 months old.
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wanderlustguy
Wow. Nothing like reading this to make you realize you don't have problems. I feel like such a whiner.
Much respect,
WLG
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Please help!!
by mamashel6 ini am brand new here and i am heartbroken looking for answers.
i have been married for 18 yrs.
yes 18 years.
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wanderlustguy
But I am 46 years old, and i seriously dont want to live the rest of my life unhappy. Any advice or help out there for me?
Make decisions, plan, keep everything in control. You have to keep a cool head or you'll miss something. Great advice here, keep talking, keep learning.
WLG
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To Angel Eyes & Other WT Apologists
by snowbird init has come to my attention that a much-beloved poster on this forum has been hurt by the insensitivity shown toward her account of how badly she was treated by the wt.. i realize this is a place where are all welcome, and barring any posting guidelines violations, we are free to air our views without fear of any backlash.. however, please keep in mind that most posters here - yours truly being one of them - view the wt in a negative light.
with all the evidence out there pertaining to its deceitfulness, how can anyone view it otherwise?.
i reached out to you, angel eyes, because i sense that you need a friend.
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wanderlustguy
"But your quite right I should have shut the door & left ...Sorry I didnt
But just as your picture shows I give you the same response"Awesome!!! I've always liked you, and I wouldn't just kiss your butt for anything, respect for someone means you say what you really think. I've been away a while but you probably remember that about me.
The reason I said it like that is because you love it here too much and too many people love you for you to walk away over a troll. If so you'd just do it. We're stuck here, love, you've got too much heart to walk away over something like that.
Take care and remember all the people you get stirred up when you threaten to walk away! ;0)
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Learning the "Truth" Is not true is like...................
by foolsparadise inafter 33 years of being mind controlled at 5 meetings a week, field service meetings, special day assembly, curcuit assembly,district assembly, finding out "the truth" is just a big hoax is like getting punched in the stomach-uppercut in the jaw-being kicked in the balls from behind and then having the rug ripped out from under you and smashing your head on the ground.
what was it like for everyone else?.
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learning you have about 35 years left to live, and are very likely to spend the last 10 insane.