Posts by ithinkisee

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Scriptures about apostates/Christendom that ACTUALLY apply to the WT?

by ithinkisee in

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i personally like:.

(matthew 23:13-15 nwt) 13 woe to you, scribes and pharisees, hypocrites!

because you shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in, neither do you permit those on their way in to go in.

List some examples where JWs get to have it both ways

by ithinkisee in

increase in jws evidence of divine blessing when people are joining the jws in large numbers, they say it is "evidence of jehovah's blessing".

(watchtower july 1, 2002, p.13, paragraph 17-19).

but ... when the numbers are down they claim it's because "the greater number has cooled off".

Increase in JWs evidence of divine blessing

When people are joining the JWs in large numbers, they say it is "evidence of Jehovah's blessing". (Watchtower July 1, 2002, p.13, paragraph 17-19)
But ... when the numbers are down they claim it's because "the greater number has cooled off".

JWs can take blood, but can't donate

JWs are allowed to take every single component of blood (including the ones that transmit diseases) from other people and the general blood supply.
But ... JWs are NOT allowed to donate any blood back to the very system they take blood from!

Kids dying from no blood

They brag about how many JW kids face death because of their stance on blood, including putting the kid's pictures on the cover of the Awake magazine. (Awake! 1994 May 22 p.2 Youths Who Put God First 3-15)

But ... JWs say Satan is persecuting them when they are labeled as child killers. (Watchtower 1998 December 1 p.14 par. 4 Defending Our Faith)

Strong Families

If someone wants to leave the JWs (like me), they are labeled as apostates and shunned - even by family members.(Watchtower 1998 December 1 p.17 Defending Our Faith)
But ... JWs say Satan is persecuting them when they are labeled as a religion that breaks up families.(Kingdom Ministry August 2002 pp.3-4)

Interpreting the bible accurately

JWs condemn the Catholic Church as arrogant for saying only the Catholic Church can accurately interpret the bible. (The Watchtower, 7/1/1943, p. 201.)
But ... JWs brag that the Watchtower Society is the only one that can accurately interpret the Bible. (The Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1981; The Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1967. p. 587)

Pedophiles

JWs condemned the Catholic Church for decades for not owning up to their pedophile problems. (Any "Watching The World" in the 80's & 90's)
But ... the JWs have never apologized for their pedophile problems. (The Catholics DID apologize!)

Apostate Literature

JWs condemn the Catholic Church for not allowing their followers to read or study with JWs. (Year Book 1988 p.100 Ireland)
But ... JWs are instructed to promptly throw away any literature from other "apostate" religions. (Watchtower 1986 March 15 pp.15-20 Allow No Place for the Devil!)

New Light

JWs condemn the Catholic Church's "new light" doctrine, saying it makes the Catholic Church unreliable. (g70 4/22 p. 8 Changes That Disturb People)
But ... JWs excuse for all their false prophecies and flip-flops is "new light".

Any others?

-ithinkisee

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WTF?! Yoga according to the WBTS is not acceptable?

by sinis in

http://www.watchtower.org/e/20020801a/article_01.htm.

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jesus christ, hey don't exercise as its demonic... its ok to be a fat bastard....

ithinkisee

Anything (like yoga) that improves one's self-image, strengthens their mind, and makes them feel good about themselves is off-limits. Why? Because only field service and association with other JWs is supposed to do that.

-ithinkisee

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Answering an evolutionist argument.

by hooberus in

the world is full of complex biological systems (for one example see below):.

here is a brief overview of the biochemistry of vision.

when light first strikes the retina, a photon interacts with a molecule called 11-cis-retinal, which rearranges within picoseconds to trans-retinal.

ithinkisee

::Creationists always find it surprising that anyone
::could believe the immensely complex biological systems
::came about by sheer chance ... To us creationists that is a myth just like any other

You're 100% right. That is a myth. Because that is not what evolutionists believe. But I bet that is what your Church tells their people evolution is.

-ithinkisee

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Witnesses Get Nailed On "Rosary" Show

by metatron in

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i was watching the "mystery of the rosary" show on catholic tv ( mostly because i wanted to know what was so mysterious about a string of.

beads).

anyhow, a phd theologian comes on and talks about st. ignatius.

ithinkisee

Most of the available writings available from the early Church Fathers shows they thought Jesus was God. So yes, the JWs are lying on that one (especially in the Trinity brochure).

-ithinkisee

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-8-07 WT Study (Obedient Children)

by blondie in

wt child abuse www.silentlambs.org.

"children, be obedient to your parents".

they soon understand that they are there to listen and to learn.prov.

ithinkisee

If you want an example (or many) of the types of parents that children are to be in subjection to, check out this collection of news articles:

http://www.thejehovahswitnesses.com/index.php/category/jws-in-the-news/

Each one also has a PDF of the original article, so you could print them all off and hand a stack of them to a JW and say, "So tell me again how Jehovah's Witnesses are any better than non-JWs?"

-ithinkisee

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Do the JW'S know what a cult really is?

by ButtLight in

i didnt!

but again i was quite young.. i know this stuff has been posted in the past.....but for the heck of it, i wanted to see what others believe cults consist of.....so i googled this.

http://www.americanreligion.org/cultwtch/whatis.html.

ithinkisee

Underbeliever,

Actually you proved number #3 (deceptive teaching) is true with your answer to #6, where you said:

We know this one is true, with their not-so-veiled "suggestions" about who one should marry, how much school one should get, what jobs are appropriate, what entertainment and recreation (and how much!) one should "partake" in. But the way this sentence is written it sounds like the elders directly make all these decisions for the Witnesses and that's not true, it's more indirect and much more insidious.

Regarding #12 (ends justifies the means) philosophy, there are many examples:

Blood: Letting children die is ends justifies the means
Theocratic warfare: Lying to secular authorities because they aren't "entitled" to know the truth.

Regarding #14, one only has to look at how often JW serial killers, JW molesters, and JW abusers are in the news.

Here's a few examples.

-ithinkisee

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OK, Easter Bunnies - What you doing to celebrate the Pagan Festival of Sex?

by Crumpet in

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(clam here is the promised fluff thread - but you know it will probably degenerate into an intellectual discussion about pagan festivals - like my posts so often do!

so how will you all be honoring the goddess astarte or was it istoreth?

will you be devouring chocolate eggs - with their heavy pagan influences?

ithinkisee

You're all apostates. According to the brothers at the Kingdom Hall you are probably all going to be partaking in an orgy somewhere.

-ithinkisee

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Do the JW'S know what a cult really is?

by ButtLight in

i didnt!

but again i was quite young.. i know this stuff has been posted in the past.....but for the heck of it, i wanted to see what others believe cults consist of.....so i googled this.

http://www.americanreligion.org/cultwtch/whatis.html.

ithinkisee

It has been reprinted numerous times on this site, but here is the location where the latest version is updated constantly:

JWs as cults with tons of Watchtower publication references

-ithinkisee

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Deception defined in new WTS publication

by blondie in

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*** jd (live with jehovah's day in mind) chap.

9 p. 115 par.

9 dealing with others as god desires ***.

ithinkisee

That was quick. Thanks!
-ithinkisee