Posts by bennyk

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Our Kingdom Ministry 2009 tells sick & infirm NOT to view telephone hook-up as convenient alternative to being personally present at KH!

by LUKEWARM in

i am feeling sick after reading the question box - it's so cold and unfeeling toward those who use the telephone to listen to congregation meetings.. .

the wts desire to control their weakest members - the infirm and chronically ill - by guilting them into "putting forth the effort to be personally present " at the kingdom hall is disgusting.. .

they are heartless bastards.... ________________________________________.

bennyk

Blondie stated:

the elders in this area control the password. They change it frequently. Even if you have the phone number, you can't access the meeting without the password. You can't get the password unless you go to an elder to get it. You can't get the password unless the elder judges that your situation warrants it. And you have to do this for every meeting. It is proving to be quite an irritant for older jws and the family that help them. The older jw has to make the request directly, their adult jw children cannot do it for them.

This could increase rather than restrict the possibilities for fading...

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Post one PICTURE that sums up your Watchtower experience so far . . .

by nicolaou in

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i started a topic like this about 4 years ago but, as you'd expect, most of the images no longer show so here we go again .

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bennyk

"I'm outta here"

(No longer a victim of a repressive regime.)

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Other Sheep will start taking the emblems.

by hamsterbait in

was at the kingdumb hell yesterday after a gap.. paragraph 11 planted the seed in the sheeples' heads for this.. remember last weeks study, where martha was quoted as saying: "i know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.

" (jo 11: 24) the term "last day" was explained as applying to the millennium, in the same way as "judgment day" for those receiving an earthly resurrection.. now for paragraph 11 - i noticed some bemused faces, as usually john 6 is avoided in articles discussing earthly resurrection:.

" "the bread that i shall give is my flesh," he said.

bennyk

Of course, Witnesses in general (and the Society especially) have short (or at least very selective) memories. Still, there is that troublesome statement from the Watchtower of March(?) 1985 -- something to the effect that 'one goes on record as to one's hope by partaking or not partaking.' When I first started partaking, because I didn't want the very unwelcome attention it would cause, I had actually thought about attending the KH and not partaking there and then returning home to partake. (Incidentally, I do know a number of individuals who have done just that.) But because of that 1985 published doctrine, I did not...

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TOP 10 DOOMSDAY CULTS!

by sacolton in

http://ty.rannosaur.us/10-doomsday-cults/.

3. the jehovahs witnessesin 1875, charles taze russell, the son of a wealthy haberdasher, used his wealth to inform as many people as possible that the armageddon would take place in 1878.

1878 passed without a blip but russell was unphased: he simply created an organization which transformed into thejehovahs witnesses and issued another date.

bennyk

Russell taught that Jesus had secretly been enthroned in heaven in 1914 and will return after the Armageddon, which only Jehovah’s Witnesses will survive. After ruling for 1,000 years, Jesus will return to heaven with the most righteous 144,000 souls.

No. Russell did not teach these things. He had different false beliefs.

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The struggle against the immediae danger from false teachers

by mrsjones5 in

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friends

golly, i feel like a householder.

you're counting time here, aren't ya?

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bennyk

I looked into the UN thing, no link to Jehovah's people.

That is true enough. The Watch Tower Society has nothing to do with "Jehovah's people."

This is the only group of people who have seperated themselves from this world.

Spoken like a true Amishman.

It is true we did not have full light in the past, but we have progressed into the light Jesus is showings us.

Don't blame Jesus for what is published in the Watchtower.

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Elder Book: Don't DF JWs who talk to DFed family. Usually. Your take?

by Open mind in

if you've been reading here for long, this won't come as news to you.. i don't have my elder book with me right now, but here's the gist of what it says about what the elders should do when they find out a jw talked to a dfed family member.. 'generally, disfellowshiping is not necessary when a congregation member speaks to a close relative who is dfed.

provided there is no condoning or justifying of the wrong course.'.

that is a paraphrase, but i'm pretty sure that "justifying of the wrong course" is close to verbatim.. two questions:.

bennyk

Normally, a close relative would not be disfellowshipped
for associating with a disfellowshipped person unless there
is spiritual association or an effort made to justify or
excuse the wrongful course.

The weasel-word here is "normally", which creates a huge loophole permitting especially agressive Elders to ignore page 103.

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1930's Great Crowd - Still a "generation" problem?

by xelder in

the recent "generation" explanation redo says that the generation means the anointed living now, and we can still have more anointed, therefore there is no limit on how long the generation can run.

this is an attempt to keep 1914 alive and healthy.. however, the wts still teaches that the great crowd began to be gathered in the 1930's (ex: rutherford had people stand and said "behold, the great multitude) since revelation defines the great crowd as coming out of the great tribulation, doesn't that create a life span problem?

what is going through the minds of even the youngest baptized 10 year old members of the great crowd in 1935 who are now in there 80's.. the other sheep of john 10 seems to fit a discription of gentiles.

bennyk

The alterations of the definition of "this generation" in 1995 and 2007 do not get the Society out from the quagmire of their teachings. Reasonably, the words recorded at Luke 21:28 could be meaningful only if the foretold redemption occurred during the lifetime of the Christians who first saw "these things begin to come to pass" (which the WTS claims occurred in 1914) -- emphatically not several human generations later.

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My Reservations About Calling the Garridos JWs

by undercover in

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this thread contains my thoughts after having read several other threads regarding the garridos being jws.... just because it is reported that the garridos are jws doesn't mean that they are really witnesses.... they may have some link to jws such as her being rasied one, his studying while in prison or any number of possibilites where they came to know a little about jwism.. even if they were baptized along the way somewhere doesn't mean that they were active, participating members in the local congregation.. there's a lot wrong with the jw religion and it's policies have helped protect pedophiles and other sexual predators from being brought to justice but i have reservations about shouting from the rooftops that the garridos were jws, when 1) it hasn't been confirmed and 2) it really doesn't do anything to expose the wt society's culpability in covering up sexual abuse.. the garridos are truly whacked.

i'm sure that local jws are just as horrified at what's happened as the average person is.

if the garridos had any connection with a local hall, i bet that the local jws were wary of them due to his nuttiness.

bennyk

We have numerous and sundry reasons to be critical of the Watch Tower Society and its teachings and practices.

From the things hitherto available in the media, I do not believe this incident to be among them.

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Upcoming Study with a Bethel Brother

by PSacramento in

so, after a lengthy discussion with my mom on friday, she asked me ( again) to have a study with a bethel brother because the question i ask are too "above" her knowledge and she feels that only a well trained bethel brother can show me the "truth".. i voiced to her my issue:.

i love my mother, father and sister that are jw's and the last thing i want is to lose them, we had already drifted apart because of their new found faith ( my mom was first, about 8 years ago, then my older sister and just recently, last july 4th, my dad), i told her that if i have these study with a bethel brother i will, most likely, sya thing and state sources that may get me brnaded as an "apostate", i asked her, to be honest and truthful with me and to tell me that, if i get branded that and they are told, suggest to them, to stop dealing with me, would they?.

she said that no organization tells her who to deal with, even more so in regards to family.. i was not convinced, nevertheless i agreed and this wednesday will have my first study with him, first topic the mwt, my issue with certain translations ( such as romans 10:13, colossians and so forth) and the name "jehovha".. .

bennyk

(old post)

01. April 1986 QfR:
Do we have Scriptural precedent for taking such a strict position? Indeed we do! Paul wrote about some in his day: "Their word will spread like gangrene. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of that number. These very men have deviated from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already occurred; and they are subverting the faith of some." (2 Timothy 2:17, 18; see also Matthew 18:6.) There is nothing to indicate that these men did not believe in God, in the Bible, in Jesus’ sacrifice. Yet, on this one basic point, what they were teaching as to the time of the resurrection, Paul rightly branded them as apostates, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship.

This is most fascinating. When the F&DS was supposedly appointed in 1919, the Watch Tower Society was still teaching that the Resurrection had begun in 1878 -- a teaching not altered until 1927 -- and which teaching the WTS now rejects as false. Does it not bugger the imagination to believe the Lord appointed over all his belongings an organisation that (by its own published standard) would be 'rightly branded apostate, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship'?

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Questions From Readers Nov 15th 2009

by dozy in

the latest flip-flop (allbeit a minor one.).

the "wise instruction" (as described by the society) given is that sisters now have to wear head coverings when interpreting sign language public talks.. differs from the previous instructions that sisters didn't need to do so.. .

w02 7/15p.27 questions from readers.

bennyk

The irony in all this for our family is that my wife -- of her own volition -- determined years ago that she should wear a headcovering. First she did this only at the meetings and in "service". Several months later she began "covering" fulltime. This created a crisis among the BoE, and I was informed that was displeasing to "some" [unnamed individuals], and my wife may be "creating divisions". I pulled rank and also informed them of the 1964 Watchtower articles which state five times that those who conscienciously feel they ought wear a headcovering absolutely have that right.

I do wonder if that incident will cross their minds when they read this QfR. Not bloody likely.