Drew, if I remember correctly, that same paragraph has some manner of statement castigating non-Witnesses for failing to note the 'separating work going on before their very eyes since 1914'. Of course, now that the teaching has been altered, it would appear that the nations were not so very stupid; only the Society was stupid for insisting (until October 1995) that a separating work had been taking place...
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1914.... Quotes that mislead the reader
by drew sagan inone of the main ways the watchtower is able to mislead people is by impressing them that they actually fortold the events of 1914. they point to magazine articles and simply make stuff up in order to 'prove' that years in advance they announced that christ would return in 1914. typical is this quote: why, then, do the nations not realize and accept the approach of this climax of judgment?
it is because they have not heeded the world wide advertising of christs return and his second presence.
since long before world war i jehovahs witnesses pointed to 1914 as the time for this great event to occur.
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What is your favorite classical music piece and artist?
by restrangled insince modern music keeps coming up, we need to address the classical!
what are your favorite pieces and the artists?
if you play an instrument, pick the piece that's your favorite to play or you wish you could play.. r.. my favorite is fantasy impromtu by chopin.
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bennyk
"Ein Deutsches Requiem" by Johannes Brahms. Especially Movements Two "Denn alles Fleisch, es ist wie Gras" and Six "Denn wir haben keine bleibende Statt".
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Has the Watchtower changed its mind or did I miss something?
by Gill inin all my years as a jw, my understanding had been of wtbts belief, was that the 144 000 were resurrected in a 'twinkling of an eye' and never actually experienced death.. did i understand wrongly or has the watchtower changed its mind......again?.
january 1st watchtower, page 27 .
when does the first resurrection occur?
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bennyk
I suspect the "new light" will be this: Governing body members could be members of the "great crowd" rather than "anointed". If the "faithful & discreet slave" can communicate from beyond the dead, you don't really need any living on the earth, do you?
I'm not so sure of this. If memory serves, the WTS already stated in the Revelation book that the 24 Elders (i.e. the resurrected members of the 144 000) communicate with the "John Class" (i.e. anointed Christians still on Earth) -- emphatically NOT with members of the "Other Sheep". Or was that teaching among the seventy changes to be made in the Revelation book?
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Society laying the groundwork for "new light"?
by sir82 inin the january 1 2007 wt, there is the following quote in one of the articles regarding the "first resurrection" (there are a few other posts on that article already):.
it seems that resurrected ones of the 24 elders group may be involved in communicating of divine truths today.. this may be the most significant sentence in the article (haven't read it in its entirety yet).
i don't recall seeing anything like it in print before.. seems to be laying the groundwork for a "flash of new light", to be exposed probably whenever the last of the 3 old-timers hanging on (barr, barber, jaracz) drop off:.
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bennyk
though Pastor Russell has passed beyond the veil, he is still managing every feature of the Harvest work.
This is especially rich because it was written and published in 1917, when (according to current WTS doctrine) "Pastor" Russell was dead and not yet resurrected.
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CHANGE IN RESURRECTION DOCTRINE?
by Mary inok, this is from the january 1, 2007 craptower.
page 25 is the study article called "the first resurrection---now under way".
it's too boring to type all the stupidity written, but here's a brief synopsis of where they come up with the brainiac idea that the first resurrection occurred in 1918 onwards:.
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bennyk
I'm calling "out-of-bounds" on their attempts to moderate their previous dogma. I remember something regarding the former teaching that the resurrection had unequivocally begun in 1918. In the Paradise Lost book, page 192, paragraph 30 it stated in no uncertain terms:
"One of the many enlightening truths that God now gave his witnesses was about the members of God's spiritual nation who had died physically. This was in 1927. In that year the witnesses understood that the dead spiritual Israelites had been raised in 1918 to life in heaven with Christ Jesus. It was an invisible resurrection, of course."
Since the Society stated that it was God himself who gave them the teaching, they are in no position to repudiate that teaching.
Also, if memory serves, in the mid-1970's the Organisation disfellowshiped dozens of Witnesses for failure to believe that the resurrection had begun in 1918. (possibly documented in Apocalypse Delayed.)
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Need Scan of 3/1/04 Watchtower...
by drew sagan inthe article is titled "'the faithful slave' passes the test!
there is some pretty big lies in this article and i'd like to get my hands on a scan if possible.
i actually ordered the 04' bound volume but it never showed up and then i stopped attending meetings.
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bennyk
Not only is the article itself relatively recent, but that gem regarding their supposed pre-1914 "calculation" was re-used even more recently: in the Examining the Scriptures , 14. September 2005 (!)
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Paul's "full gospel" did NOT mention 144,000...
by bebu infrom reflecting on what paul writes in his letters, it is obvious he had never taught anything like the wts doctrines concerning the little flock (144,000) or the slave class, or any other unique jw gospel concept.
yet he was clear that he was preaching the entire gospel everywhere.. i picked out the following verses (you can find more but these are the most obvious) to show that 1) paul said his authority for the gospel he preached was given by god; 2) that he preached the gospel fully; and that he condemned any person or angel who preached a different gospel.
have you ever noticed, then, that though paul clarified the gospel in all of his letters in a variety of ways, the odd doctrines of the jws/wts were never once mentioned by paul?
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bennyk
The 1995 WT refutes the Society's own doctrine re: only 144 000 going to heaven.
wt95 08/01 page 11 paragraph 8:
8 When Israel rejected and killed His Son, Jesus Christ, God finally rejected her. So no longer was that Jewish nation a figurative wife to Him, nor was He the Father and Teacher of her wayward sons. (Matt. 23: 37,38) However, Israel was only a typical, or symbolic, wife. The apostle Paul quoted Isaiah 54: 1, which speaks of a "barren woman" who is different and distinct from "the woman with the husbandly owner," the nation of natural Israel. Paul reveals that anointed Christians are children of the "barren woman," whom he calls "Jerusalem above." This antitypical figurative woman consists of God's heavenly organization of spirit creatures. -- Galatians 4: 26,27. (end of quote).
The scripture thus indicates (using the WTS' own interpretation of the 'women') that the number of anointed Christians exceeds that of fleshly Israel. The cumulative number of natural Israelites between the Exodus and the coming of Christ Jesus was in the many tens of millions; therefore, many more than 144 000 are spirit-anointed Christians.
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What name would like to see for the "2007 District Convention"?
by new boy inthere many to choose from --------------how about .
" millions now living will soon be dead" (with no hope of a resurrection)--------------that means your unbaptized freinds and family members.
"how we have created god in our image" (jealous, hatedful, petty).
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2007 "Going Out Of Business" District Convention
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The heavenly resurrection of 1918: "An interesting possibility"
by AnnOMaly inpossibility?
they must be joking!.
watchtower january 1, 2007, 'the first resurrection - now under way!
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bennyk
Recycled old post:
01. April 1986 QfR:
This is most fascinating. When the F&DS was supposedly appointed in 1919, the Watch Tower Society was still teaching that the Resurrection had begun in 1878 -- a teaching not altered until 1927 -- and which teaching the WTS now rejects as false. Does it not bugger the imagination to believe the Lord appointed over all his belongings an organisation that (by its own published standard) would be 'rightly branded apostate, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship'?Do we have Scriptural precedent for taking such a strict position? Indeed we do! Paul wrote about some in his day: "Their word will spread like gangrene. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of that number. These very men have deviated from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already occurred; and they are subverting the faith of some." (2 Timothy 2:17, 18; see also Matthew 18:6.) There is nothing to indicate that these men did not believe in God, in the Bible, in Jesus’ sacrifice. Yet, on this one basic point, what they were teaching as to the time of the resurrection, Paul rightly branded them as apostates, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship.
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Looking for 1908 editions of Studies in the Scriptures
by jwfacts ini would like to compare the 1908 and 1916 editions of studies in the scriptures, particularly thy kingdom come.
i can find electronic versions of the 1916 edition on line, but am having trouble with earlier editions.
does anyone know of any sites that host them?.
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bennyk
Once upon a time, the Watch Tower Society was a bit more honest (less dishonest) regarding changes made to the literature. For example, regarding the Studies in the Scriptures: Although the books were altered post-1914, the changes to volumes Two and Three are documented in the 01. March 1915 issue of the Watch Tower, Reprints page 5649:
CHANGES IN "SCRIPTURE STUDIES"
We call attention to a few slight changes which have been made in four pages of Vol. II. and six pages of Vol. III., "STUDIES IN THE SCRIPTURES." These are all trivial and do not alter the real sense and lesson, but conform to the facts as we have them today. The pages containing these corrections are as follows:
Vol. II., page 77, line 1, "will be the farthest limit," reads "will see the disintegration."
Vol. II., page 77, line 6, "will obtain full universal control," reads "will begin to assume control."
Vol. II., page 77, lines 16,17, "end of A.D. 1914," reads "end of the overthrow."
Vol. II., page 81, line 9, "can date only from A.D. 1914," reads "could not precede A.D. 1915."
Vol. II., page 170, line 16, "at that time they will all be overturned."*
*How long it will require to accomplish this overturning we are not informed, but have reason to believe the period will be short.
Vol. II., page 221, line 25, "full favor until A.D. 1914," reads "full favor until after 1915."Vol. III., page 94, line 29, "in this end or harvest," reads "at the end of this harvest."
Vol. III., page 126, line 12, "at A.D. 1914," reads "after 1914."
Vol. III., page 133, line 21, "ere the harvest is fully ended."+
+The end of the harvest will probably include the burning of the tares.
Vol. III., page 228, line 11, "some time before 1914," reads "very soon after 1914."Vol. III., page 228, line 15, "just how long before," reads "just how long after."
Vol. III., page 362, line 11, "some time before," reads "some time near."
Vol. III., page 364, line 14, "must not only witness," reads "may not only witness."