I read it in 1996 and don't have a copy anymore because mine got destroyed by my wife when she found out I read it. There were several interesting parts. One was about the tape that was made and how he was promised a copy. But then later when he requested it. His request was denied. I found that interesting, because I understand that taping a JC meeting is prohibited. Maybe this is where that rule got started. Tho I didn't know Ray himself,I did know one of the Prominent persons mentioned in the book, so I felt a little closer to the story than some. I hope you enjoy the read. seek2find PS don't let anyone destroy your copy :)
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Crisis of Consciousness: Finally Got It
by RAYZORBLADE inoops, well i had intended to post a message along with this new topic and my fingers were faster than my brain (need more coffee .
well, i suppose it's like preaching to the converted; me obtaining this book, but i guess it's one of those things i just needed to do to finalize everything.. i know there are countless topics on ray franz' book.
but to finally pick it up, i feel like: 'i can hardly wait to read it'.. before, i more or less figured: 'i am out of the wtbts, so why bother?'.
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Body Numbness
by Chameleon inlast wednesday, i went to bed at 1:30 am, woke up at 4:30 am due to food poisoning, and i couldn't go back to sleep.
i went to work, and when i got back, i went to bed at 6 or 7 pm.
i didn't wake up until the following morning, on thursday.. my body felt slightly numb, but i thought i slept wrong.
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There are many things that can cause symptoms like this. But for a lot of people that Have Multiple Sclerosis it starts out with unexplained numbness. Usually get misdiagnosed many times for years before the truth is known. I hope its not the case with you. But it is a possibility. Usually the numbness in MS last for more then a few days, but usually disappears. Sometimes for a long time then re-appears stronger the next time. This is know as relapsing-remitting MS. seek2find
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I think I may have accidentily pitted the POs wife against her husband...
by cognac inwell, you know how the whole thing came out about only using the "society's literature" came out a few months ago?
well, a few days later i went up to the po to basically tell on myself that i used strongs concordance and exactly which website i go to for a lot of my research.
he said that was fine and that the society was just avoiding people spending hours on non wt literature just either wasting there time or trying to prove the society wrong.... ok, so fast forward to this past weekend, i was over his house with my husband for dinner.
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StAnn: Your comment reminded me of what Ray said that one of the other Governing body members said. And that was that using commentaries was like "sucking the tits of Babylon the great" seek2find
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SO proud... Wife brought COC as reading material on a road trip...
by Robert7 inwe had a little family roadtrip last weekend, and my wife brought coc to read in the car!
she read quite a bit of it... .
what was great is she really sees it as not the truth.
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Gopher, That was over 10 years ago now. I'm still trying to get through to her. Some times I think it's going OK, then she shuts me out and refuses to talk. She's definitely loyal, but is she loyal to the right authority???? seek2find P.S. I love her anyway. That's why I'm still "In" after all these years. I hope and pray she will respond in time.
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I knew a couple once that moved to serve where the need was greater. They thought Jehovah had answered their prayer and led them to the new assignment. Only problem was they came back a few months later broke and homeless, when "it didn't work out" seek2find
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I think I may have accidentily pitted the POs wife against her husband...
by cognac inwell, you know how the whole thing came out about only using the "society's literature" came out a few months ago?
well, a few days later i went up to the po to basically tell on myself that i used strongs concordance and exactly which website i go to for a lot of my research.
he said that was fine and that the society was just avoiding people spending hours on non wt literature just either wasting there time or trying to prove the society wrong.... ok, so fast forward to this past weekend, i was over his house with my husband for dinner.
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Dear Cognac, You may know this already, but the E-Sword computer program, which is a free download comes with the King James bible keyed to the strongs concordance. All you have to do is hover the mouse over the strong s number and the definition pops up. It's a very useful tool. The address is www.e-sword.net seek2find
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SO proud... Wife brought COC as reading material on a road trip...
by Robert7 inwe had a little family roadtrip last weekend, and my wife brought coc to read in the car!
she read quite a bit of it... .
what was great is she really sees it as not the truth.
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I'm so glad your wife read the book. My wife destroyed my copy. Burning it piece by piece in the barbecue grill. Among the things that got me in the book was the revelation that the work in Mexico was being restricted for years not due to government persecution as I had been led to believe. But it was really that the organization had voluntarily registered as a cultural organization. They could have had full freedom all along if they had registered as a religion and put property ownership aside. It seems to be the same type of mentality that led to joining the UN as an NGO. seek2find
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The Slave is sooo concerned about Great Crowd
by senora inso yesterday i bump into a jw i knew since i was a little girl.
so she says to me... at our last local needs the brother said that the faithful slave is soooo worried about the great crowd... so i was like why?
and she says.... because the great crowd is so diisobedient, they just don't listen and the great tribulation is upon us and they are worried about how the gc is going to make it if they are so disobedient.. i felt like screaming.. did they ever think for a second that the gc is sick and tired of them making all of these crazy demands on people's lives who are adults and but yet not allowed to make decisions for themselves or think for themselves?
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Personally I think we need to have new light on the Faithful Slave Teaching, and that the Slave mentioned at Matt. 24 is the same one that Jesus mentions at Luke chapter 12 on Luke goes into a little more detail and breaks the slave down into individual slaves some who get many strokes and others that get few. Luke's account make it clear that the slave spoken about are individual Christians and not a class.(see Luke 12:42-48 especially verses 47 and 48) seek2find
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Online churches/fellowships
by Dead Man Joaquin indo any of you know of any online worship services for folks in positions similar to my own?
basically, i consider myself a christian (albeit not a trinitarian) but i'm not really comfortable yet with attending any mainline churches.
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Would the Governing Body ever suggest ...
by sacolton inthat active spouses should leave their "non-believing" or "apostate" spouse?.
the reason i ask is that when i asked my wife if she would follow this doctrine should it ever be activated.
by the wtbts.
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Hi I believe, as Blondie has pointed out, they already have. It's not a direct command, but is allowed as grounds for separation. I also may be faced with this issue in the future. I believe the elders encourage the mate to leave once they share their "apostate" views. That should be a red flag to all concerned that something is wrong. The real truth should never be afraid of the lie! If apostates are all about lies, why fear them? If you have the truth. As we all know though, the real lie is that the Organization has never had the "truth". If they did, they wouldn't be afraid of the internet and the information available there. They would have been up front about the UN issue and the child abuse scandal. We're expected to admit our mistakes while we allow them to attempt to cover theirs. It's the ultimate hypocrisy. seek2find