Thanks LL, I was thinking of even earlier, and not so much the legal corporation. Why would Russell want to start a new group of Bible students and a new magazine, when there were plenty already in existence. One reason seems to be his split with the adventists.
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Can defd or another JW tell me why the watchtower society was formed?
by jaffacake inthis is serious part of my research.
the watchtower articles from the 1970s help, but there are gaps in my understanding.
russell was the founder of the watchtower society, and presumably part of the faithful & discreet slave?
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So, are you, by nature, and introvert or extrovert?
by onacruse inmulan's thread, and simon's post thereto, got me to thinking about this, especially in terms of what i might be today, minus the influence of the wts.. by nature, i was always an introvert.
early on (age 10 or so), i immersed myself in mathematics, physics, chemistry...the "pure" sciences, devoid of "worldly" meaning...just the plain and simple facts, thank you ma'am.
i'd stay in my room and study stuff until my mom had to literally grab me by the ear and say "craig, go outside and blow off the stink!.
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I'm an introvert, but not to an extreme.
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Rutherford makes a good point
by carla ini just received the millions reprint book.
i actually found something i agree with!.
error always seeks the dark, while truth is always enhanced by the light.
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Carla,
This is very useful to me, as I still have lines of communication open to an active JW (just) who seems to show some signs of doubt. I collect these kind of quotations.
Do you know if this publication is available online? I am reminded of the scriptural quote:
"If one rejects a matter before he hears, it is folly and shame to him." (Proverbs 18:13, LITV)
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I love you all!
by talesin ini will soon have to be offline.
to those of you that knew of this, my friends, i'll talk atcha on email.
anyone who would like to keep in touch, my email is buggurlatgmaildotcom.. .
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Tal
I'm confused, and sad. Where are you going and when will we hear from you again.
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Hi New Here!
by weinermcgee inhi folks whats up?.
i grew up as a strict jw until my early 20's when an event happened that made me start thinking for myself, thank goodness.
what i mean by strict was i think most of you will undertsand that i really believed in what i was doing, baptised at the age of 13, seriously considered bethal, pioneered and was offered to be a ministerial servent.
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Great to have you here. WELCOME
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Societies worse off 'when they have God on their side'
by candidlynuts inthe times .
interesting.... but not suprising.. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printfriendly/0,,1-2-1798944-2,00.html.
societies worse off 'when they have god on their side'.
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Tetra,
I know you could give NT quotes too, but it is very significant that all the scriptures quoted were OT. The general thrust of NT teaching is very different, alyhough some of the NT authors were still not fully 'getting it' and still too heavily influenced by the norms of the day eg in the role of women. I think Q makes some relevant points.
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When Christians Criticize
by Check_Your_Premises inplease offer any comments, critiques, insults, or suggestions.
first off, let me specify what i mean by a christian or group of christians.
"everyone believing that jesus is the christ has been born from god" (1 john 5:1).
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CYP
A wonderful post, which I will be keeping a copy of. And great discussion with the others.
I have thought long and hard about the same things.
Where I am just now: To accept the Bible as the inspired word of God, which I do, how to I reconcile the errors and apparently contradictory teachings? The Bible itself does not teach that it is verbally inerrant nor that the teachings of its author's were infallible. In fact the contradictions, (and for example - why do we need 4 gospels which don't all quite agree) teach us that the Bible is made up of individual perspectives.
I believe taken as a whole, the Bible teaches many deep spiritual truths, but this does not work if we select individual portions or interpret literally. I believe we also have to work out which perspectives and 'truths'; sublate the others. There are many pointers to this, eg when Christ summarises the purpose of the law & the prophets, or how revelation says all prophecy points to Christ.
I also believe both James & Paul made mistakes. This suggests the 'church' had to keep evolving and gaining newer understandings. I am convinced Paul altered his position on milenialism from his first to his last letters, yet all his teachings are now part of the Bible. I believe this reaches us to change teachings, eg subjection of women, as we learn how this would go against deeper spiritual teachings. I believe that non-fundamentalist Christianity has a good grasp of the place that scriptures should play in Christian's lives.
Just my hurried two-penneth.
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Can defd or another JW tell me why the watchtower society was formed?
by jaffacake inthis is serious part of my research.
the watchtower articles from the 1970s help, but there are gaps in my understanding.
russell was the founder of the watchtower society, and presumably part of the faithful & discreet slave?
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This is serious part of my research. The watchtower articles from the 1970s help, but there are gaps in my understanding. Russell was the founder of the Watchtower Society, and presumably part of the faithful & discreet slave?
WT 1975
“Jesus had said ‘look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of things.” (Matthew 28:20) Jesus Christ is the Head of the congregation, his slave, and his words show that he would strengthen them to feed his ‘domestics’ right down through the centuries. Apparently, one generation of the slave class fed the succeeding generation thereof, as well as continuing to feed themselves.
…Jesus Christ himself called attention to this method of feeding his people not as isolated, independent individuals, but as a close-knit body of Christians having real love and care for one another.”By 1870 when CT Russell began his lone independent study of the Bible, the faithful & discreet slave class was over 1,800 years old. I see nothing wrong with him setting up a new society, but he must have done so because he saw the need to be different or separate from other religions of the day, even those that were presumably already part of the faithful and discreet slave class?
Guidance would be appreciated on this historical question, for my research please.
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CoC or ISoCF
by TheListener inwhich of ray's books would you recommend someone read first.
coc does a great job of explaining ray's situation and the results.
while covering some major doctrines along the way.
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I agree that Captives of a Concept is excellent. The author says in it, that its title is derived from that of Ray Franz' book Crisis of Conscience.
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This is what sets them apart from any other religion,
I was once an SDA. We were pacifists - JWs reject that description, and describe themselves as neutral instead, which is different.
As I said I think the world of some JW friends of mine, but I doubt anyone could name more than 2 teachings that are peciuliar to the JW religion. They are all second-hand teachings of adventist, Christadelphian, arian, waldenses and others.